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WTH is this shit?!

edit: for those wondering, the setting can be found under Settings -> Privacy -> GDPR for the EU version only I think

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[โ€“] krigo666@lemmy.world 94 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The dialog shown does not comply to the GPDR. Makes it very difficult and time consuming to reject cookies and consent, according to the GPDR it has to have an option to do it quickly. This just a giant dark pattern dialog to make users give up.

[โ€“] WimpyWoodchuck@feddit.de 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

For me, everything was disabled once I opened the dialog options. Legitimate interest was still enabled, but that's compliant to the GDPR.

[โ€“] Murvel@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

'Legitimate interest' consent for ad-tracking, as the settings state is not compliant with GDPR. 'Legitimate interest' consent bare bones and for security and other essential functions only, not ads.

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[โ€“] ljdawson@lemmy.world 94 points 1 year ago (3 children)

There should be a big old reject all button.

[โ€“] psychic717@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I didn't have one either, it was just like the image.

[โ€“] SoaringDE@feddit.de 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But wouldn't "Confirm my Selection" reject all? It seema as though anything not necessary for proper functioning is diaanled unless you press enable all or manually enable some of them?

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[โ€“] dnzm@feddit.nl 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not just "should", the GDPR actually requires it. Not giving consent must be an easy option, not this dark pattern clickfest bullshit.

[โ€“] ljdawson@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

There is a reject all button. Try for yourself

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[โ€“] Kyle@lemmy.ca 73 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I'm saddened at the amount of uncivilized discourse going on in this thread.

You can actually talk about these bugs and development with the developer on discord, and also submit reports and suggestions on GitHub.

Saying things like "fuck this" and "uninstalling" about a beta that has had at least 2 versions updated today is the same kind of useless discourse I'd expect with failed protests on Reddit.

Here is a more civilized critique of one of the gdpr functions on GitHub. https://github.com/laurencedawson/sync-for-lemmy/issues/200

Perhaps you can make a new issue about a reject all button as well.

Edit- this response is to the commenters here, not op. OP made a well formatted and polite issue on GitHub.

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[โ€“] Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de 57 points 1 year ago

This is the most asshole design for those dialogs. If it doesn't have a "Deny all" button, fuck you.

[โ€“] usernotfound@lemmy.ml 56 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Why is it called "Revoke consent"? Consent was never asked during setup, so how can it be revoked?

Edit: oh great. It doesn't even save your settings for objecting to "Legitimate interest". Uninstalled.

It's ironic, because the companies who claim to have a legitimate interest in tracking my behaviour are the ones I want to block from tracking me most of all.

[โ€“] Holodeck_Moriarty@lemm.ee 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ads and data collection are too much for me. Sticking with Liftoff for now.

[โ€“] BrainisfineIthink@lemmy.one 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Highly recommend thunder or Connect as well if you aren't satisfied with liftoff. I've used all (I think?) The android apps and those two go back and forth for my favorite. Thunder looks slickest but connect is the most stable and easy to navigate imo.

[โ€“] sabreW4K3@lemmy.tf 31 points 1 year ago

File a bug for reject all.

[โ€“] SuperIce@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can't even revoke consent in the US. I'll be sticking with Thunder instead of Sync for Lemmy.

[โ€“] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 year ago (6 children)

They are legally required to have a deny all button...

[โ€“] JohnEdwa@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Confirm Choices" should also function as that button, as the consent needs to be opt-in - nothing should be on by default.

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[โ€“] ljdawson@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is one "Do not consent"

[โ€“] sanguinepar@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Can confirm this, I was offered (and chose) the Do Not Consent option. Weird that not everyone is seeing it.

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[โ€“] snooggums@kbin.social 21 points 1 year ago

Yeah, that is ridiculous and I have already uninstalled.

[โ€“] FunkyMonkey@feddit.de 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm fully for supporting ljdawson and this app - the former version of which I've also purchased.

So, I was really surprised when I saw that the gdpr consent form had some of the worst dark patterns with the opt-out "legitimate interest" for each party.

The first time I was so excited to have sync again, that I just confirmed selection. Stupid of me. Second time, I spent minutes opting out of each individual party's "legitimate interest" - after giving consent.

No idea what this means or if ljdawson knew (he's the dev though), but this really soured my experience.

I think I'll still purchase, but this sucks.

Edit: I've since purchased the ad-free version. I want to give ljdawson the benefit of the doubt and maybe also chalk this up to the beta state. I just quite dislike dark patterns.

[โ€“] MinusPi@pawb.social 9 points 1 year ago

Since it's GDPR, I wouldn't be surprised if this is a drop-in library or something that uses those dark patterns instead of LJ setting that up himself.

[โ€“] Wet@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I guess it's more of a Google's fault, but still, having to spend 10 minutes to Reject all is insane.

I've uninstalled it, sticking with Connect and will also give Thunder a try. Loved Sync for Reddit and paid for it gladly, but as it is, I'm out.

[โ€“] Ysysel@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (5 children)

That is illegal by the way. You should have a single button to reject all. You can report it to your data protection authority

They love this.

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[โ€“] plantstho@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm in the US and don't have the ability to opt-out of these things.

I used Sync for Reddit for many years but the Lemmy version's privacy policy is not what I was hoping to see. I would love a clarification around what privacy improvements a subscription might add...

[โ€“] WimpyWoodchuck@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[โ€“] 5redie8@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nothing happens when I click it for me, in the US

[โ€“] Pyroglyph@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Nothing happens for me in the UK either.

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[โ€“] Murvel@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago

I've opened an Issue to look into the consent settings for 'Legitimate interest' not saving:

Github issue

[โ€“] herrwoland@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Yes took me a good 10 minutes to scroll the whole thing and disable them one by one

[โ€“] Ethalis@jlai.lu 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The two toggles called "Consent" and "Legitimate interest" is one of the most jarring things I've seen since GDPR came out. Those are legal basis for processing data, they're not supposed to shown like that to the user, that just makes no sense.

User have to opt-in for processing activities that are based on consent, and be allowed to opt-out of processing activities that are based on legitimate interest, but to do that they must know what those processing activities are in the first place!

Edit: The more I think about it the more it makes my head hurt. What does a toggle just called "consent" mean? Am I opting in for "consent"? Why are they just writing "legitimate interest" without telling what is the interest and why it is legitimate? Complete nonsense

[โ€“] justtobbi@feddit.de 13 points 1 year ago

Big turn off in my opinion. I might stick to thunder

[โ€“] dottedgreenline@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Back to jerboa for me. Even though people seem to overlook it, it seems to work pretty well, and every single app I try just leads me back to it. I am also getting faster loading thumbnails and images on it than sync. Sync does feel smooth with its high refresh rate, but in my limited time with it, that seems to be the only plus it has over jerboa (edit: for the way I like using it; list or compact mode).

[โ€“] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yep, I'm already back on Connect. Why switch to an app that uses Google to track me?

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[โ€“] fisco@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ads have no place here..!! ๐Ÿ‘Ž๐Ÿป

[โ€“] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 40 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Sync was always an ad supported app with ways to remove them.

I'm not sure why anyone would expect that to change.

I get it, the idea of ads on an app accessing an ad-free, and generally anti capitalist network like lemmy is dissonant. But the truth is that I'd rather have ads in apps than have developers not getting paid for their work.

You gotta realize, it is a time intensive thing. If someone is working on a lemmy app in their spare time, that means development is going to be slow as hell. If they're getting enough income to do it full time (or even part time but dedicated), then we have access to a stable, well supported app.

Google has fucked over developers in how they can monetize. They can't do iterative sales the way software used to work, where you'd buy a program and any major new versions were a new purchase. They're limited in how many versions they can have in the play store, so they can't have tiers at various price points.

Google wants their cut, and that's all they really care about. They get the biggest flow from subscriptions and ads. So they try and channel developers into those streams. It's a long standing problem.

Thia is one of those things where you can't hate the player, you gotta hate the game.

[โ€“] spez@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

As long as people can remove the trackers and not have their data sold by paying upfront, instead of having to pay AND part with your privacy then I don't think there is any problem with this. Especially because of the FOSS community's general attitude of 'Is it really open-source if the dev doesn't have to do borderline illegal labor in China to survive?' sucks

[โ€“] BB69@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Fuck you Spez

Sorry, involuntary response

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[โ€“] WimpyWoodchuck@feddit.de 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You don't want the developer to earn any money?

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[โ€“] mojo@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

This is bit of a band-aid fix and doesn't fix the real issue, but you should use an adblocking DNS on your phone, like dns.adguard-dns.com . It'll block a lot of those domains from connecting. Of course this still shouldn't exist in the first place and we should absolutely push for no tracking.

[โ€“] fusio@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I see the revoke button but it does nothing. I'm in Switzerland. Is it a bug?

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