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Is Proton a good choice for what I want to do? (lemmy.today)

submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by Buelldozer@lemmy.today to c/protonprivacy@lemmy.world

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I read the sidebar and didn't see anything about asking questions so apologies in advance if this post breaks a rule.

I'm in the U.S. and wanting to knowif Proton Family is a good choice for my use case.

Two decades ago I got tired of changing email addresses whenever my ISP changed so I registered my surname as a .net vanity domain and started running my own email server at home. When Google started offering Google for Organizations for free if you had less than 10 users I folded up my personal email server and shifted everything over. We use it for e-mail and basic family calendaring.

Last month when going through bills my wife and I were once again frustrated by coordination required to sign into various accounts. "Hey what's the password for $CreditCard?" or "What's the MFA you just got for $BankAccount?" or "What's the password for Disney"?"

That got me started looking for a family password manager so we could easily share and keep this stuff up to date.

At the same time we realized that were paying for YouTube TV, YouTube Premium, two YouTube Music, and an Amazon Music subscription. Whoops.

Well, no problem. We'll just "family share" the YTTV and YTP subscriptions so everyone has everything and we save some money.

Nope. G-Suite doesn't allow family sharing. So we're all going to have to create seperate @gmail.com addresses to make this work. Oh, and I'll have to shift the YTTV subscription from my vanity domain to a regular @gmail as well. Which breaks the entire idea behind the vanity domain in the first place.

While I researching a Family Password Manager of course I found Proton Pass. While I was looking at the pricing for it I realized that they also have a "Family" setup for email which looks interesting.

So now I'm considering porting my vanity domain and all it's email out of G-Suite and over to Proton Family. At nearly $300 a year it's not exactly inexpensive, since I'd basically be paying it until I die, and it will be a fair bit of work to switch everything over so I don't want to do it unless it's going to work.

So would Proton Family be a good choice? Are there any significant technical challenges to migrating a custom domain and email out of G-Suite and into Proton?

Edit: This post was rambly and unclear. The TL;DR is that I’m increasingly annoyed with G-Suite and since I’m looking at Proton Pass anyway I'm wondering about Proton Suite (which includes Email, Calendar, and Pass).

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[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

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[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I read your post, but still not exactly sure what your question is.

Yeah I guess that was kind of rambly and unclear. In short I'm increasingly annoyed with G-Suite and since I'm looking at Proton Pass anyway I could buy Proton Family, which comes with Proton Pass, and do it all at once.

I only use it as part of the “suite” of products.

Proton Family is the suite, so you are using exactly what I'm asking about. 🙂

Proton Pass also kinda blows, in my opinion.

What don't you like about it?

Proton has nothing to do with YTTV or any other streaming services.

Not directly, the problem is with G-Suite but if I were to shift my email from G-Suite to Proton that problem would go away.

YTTV definitely has a family plan. I’ve used it before. You can invite whoever you want. Up to 5 members. They become part of your Google “Family Group”.

As noted above you can't do "Family Group" with G-Suite but you can't do a custom (vanity) domain without G-Suite! It's a catch-22.

[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

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[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 1 points 7 months ago (3 children)

But this doesn’t really matter because autofill is almost completely non-functional anyway.

Ouch.

When you say “G Suite”, are you referring to a Google Workspace account?

Yes, not sure why I have G Suite stuck in my head.

[–] Nelizea@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

. But this doesn’t really matter because autofill is almost completely non-functional anyway. Maybe 5% of the time it works. so you end up having to go back and forth copying and pasting username/email/TOTP

This is certainly incorrect and I wouldn't be too much worried about that. There has been huge improvements since the realease. If there are certain sites that aren't working, they can be reported to the team and it will be fixed. Same as with other password managers.

[–] independantiste@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I would not 100% take their word for the autofill part, it's worked great for most sites that ive been on, the problematic ones being the ones that have separate pages for username/email and password. Some Android apps are also kind of clunky, but I don't think this is Proton's fault, since it also happened on Bitwarden, so I think it is the other app's fault for not using the autofill APIs. Can't say for iOS

[–] revisable677@feddit.de 4 points 7 months ago

I'm using Proton with my own domain + calendar + proton pass and I'm quite happy!

Because I was still unsure of it at first, I was using Proton side by side with other services for a while. But I noticed it covered everything I needed with a couple of nice additions.

With email I'm using multiple custom domains plus you can set a catch-all for each. Pass also offers unlimited forwarding emails to avoid spam.

Haven't really used drive all that much yet, so can't say anything about it.

Also, supporting a company that depends on neither shareholders or advertisements is a nice change

[–] s38b35M5@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Keepass is free, and has no limits that would cause you to research alternatives. Keep the passwords database in a single cloud location, or keep separate copies and merge them occasionally. I see nothing in your post that would lead me to recommend an additional paid service.

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 1 points 7 months ago

I see nothing in your post that would lead me to recommend an additional paid service.

Yeah, my post was rambly and unclear. In addition to Password Sharing I'm also looking to replace G-Suite for email and calendaring with my custom domain. That "Suite" of stuff is called Proton Family.

[–] EmperorHenry@infosec.pub 1 points 7 months ago

Proton is a very privacy-friendly thing to choose.

But if you're in a position where you might need to worry about someone using a quantum computer to monitor your internet activity, you might want to choose a different VPN provider that offers quantum-secure encryption. Like Mullvad or iVPN.

[–] Broken@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago

I'm not sure how any service will help with your YouTube problem. I'm a bit unclear on the details you described, but switching emails doesn't change YT dynamics at all.

But I can comment on Proton. I willingly pay through the nose for their services, to get the suite and support their cause. I recommend them to everybody.

But their services aren't perfect.

They have their own contact list (which makes sense since it's encrypted) but that essentially means you have to maintain 2 lists now (because your phone can't access the list for calls and messages).

Their calendar is functional, but lacking compared to other modern calendars. I've used it as my primary calendar for a while now, so its usable, but I mention its not great because the calendar seems to be a big feature for you. I'm testing out Fossify Calendar myself now.

Proton Pass is meh. A lot of people like it, and I haven't tried it since it launched (or maybe was beta) so it wouldnt be fair to critique the details, but I like Bitwarden better. Regardless though, I don't like the idea of my password manager password being the same as my proton account. That's not an option though.

But overall yes, the proton suite is great and I think well worth the money. Just understand it's not Google, nor will anything be like Google. In lots of ways that's a good thing.