but but the apple fanboys told me apple's proprietary ecosystem is somehow not a privacy nightmare!
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Wow, how incredibly annoying. They discuss “the proper way” to protect your privacy throughout the entire article, clearly making it known that the researchers had the process and we’re seeing if people could figure it out and then…they don’t share it.
Thanks to grapheneos, I don't have to worry about such things 🥳
GrapheneOS + Linux Is the only way to truly have digital privacy.
Most people think iPhone + Mac is. So, so wrong.
What do you think about Pinephones? I'm thinking about buying one as my next phone.
Pine phones have privacy but not functionality unfortunately.
Maybe not quite ready for the general public yet, but I hear PureOS runs quite nicely and, if you can make it work, it could be a good idea.
AFAIK they're pretty slow and they have really bad battery lifes. I wouldn't buy one just yet.
Low performance
Google services are unfortunately pretty important to most users day to day life. I have tried degoogled android but have always come back to graphene.
I stopped using google completely several years ago. I deleted my accounts and information. I created a burner for YouTube since there’s no other option but otherwise I refuse any google software (and I use iOS).
Then apple is just collecting your data instead of google, they just give an illusion of better privacy. Both make most of their money from advertising.
Apple doesn’t sell my data and information to third parties.
I don’t see how they have much ad revenue, because none of the Apple apps have ads
There are definitely ad supported apps on iOS, they also control the core of all browsers on iOS. Neither Apple or Google really sell data externally, they serve ads to their audience using algorithms trained off vast quantities of user data. Selling the raw data is a bad way to do it because you don't have control over it after the first sale. Keeping it internal and selling your services is a much more lucrative way to do it if you have a big enough platform. Chromium is google's way to spy on you online and serve ads, webkit is apple's. Google allows non chromium browsers on android but apple requires that all iOS browsers are basically just a reskinned safari.
How is degoogled Android?
I have a spare phone I could try to degoogle but I keep thinking how many apps require GSF and I don't think I'd get very far like that.
It feels fine, if you don't use google apps you wouldn't notice a difference. But the last time I seriously tried using it as a daily driver was probably three years ago though. MicroG is ok but just can't compare to the sandboxed gapps in graphene when it comes to compatibility.
If only GrapheneOS were available on more devices than just the Pixel
Pixel phones completely stock are a privacy nightmare, but are ironically the most secure phones on a hardware level, which is why GrapheneOS devs chose them.
True
*privacy from everyone except us, which conveniently makes our ad revenue line go up.
people don't even think about apple, when talking about data privacy. they look google, amazon and facebook differently than apple.
i'm using an iphone and i had to pay for icloud storage for like a year or two. than, i bought a pc with 2tb ssd and wanted to download all of my data from icloud and delete my subscription. downloading was no problem since you can request all of your data, problem was my 128gb data was not sorted and i had to delete all of my photos by hand from icloud.
i'm thinking about buying a google pixel 7a, since it's cheap and i don't need much more, and use graphene os with it. i can return my iphone when purchasing and 7a is gonna cost something like €100-200
I hear people talk about Apple and its "superior" privacy relatively often. But yes, they still see it as different from the others.
Apple exposes less to the user's visibility, and it seems what is out of sight is out of mind!
they obviously not on the same level as google and meta, and media writes often about apple not wanting to unlock a criminal's iphone in a fbi case.
average user just knows that apple doesn't give your data to 3rd party, nobody thinks about apple being the bad one here.
apple not wanting to unlock a criminal's iphone in a fbi case.
They couldn't unlock it. If they could, or if the criminal had used iCloud backup, they'd have done it instantly.
What the FBI wanted was for Apple to make a "rooted" iOS version and update the phone with it, and that version would give them access to everything on it.
Apple didn't want to do it because that iOS version could be used to get into any iPhone and it would've destroyed their image with their customers. Also, legally they could not be compelled to make a break-in tool.
Anyway, it was all for their own protection not for the principle of privacy.
Eh, I don't think it's obvious. They would have to be more transparent for anything to be obvious.
The FBI requests these days are just to preserve the image of due process, they can already unlock iPhones on their own. And they aren't the only ones.
nobody thinks about apple being the bad one here.
Graphene users do :)
I wanted to transfer video from an iPhone to PC. I usually back-up my Android device which has neat file structure and folder names. Viola iPhone folder naming is shit. I had to use "modified by time" to get the thing i wanted. There were so many folders with numbers.
This is why nothing with the Apple logo passes through the threshold of my home; not even their bullshit assed phones. If I'm working on degoogling myself, why in the fuck would I want to regoogle myself through another logo?
Is this process different than any other commercial operating system, whether on phone, tablet, or PC?
Yes. Apple doesn’t sell the data