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Sorry if this is a dumb question, but does anyone else feel like technology - specifically consumer tech - kinda peaked over a decade ago? I'm 37, and I remember being awed between like 2011 and 2014 with phones, voice assistants, smart home devices, and what websites were capable of. Now it seems like much of this stuff either hasn't improved all that much, or is straight up worse than it used to be. Am I crazy? Have I just been out of the market for this stuff for too long?

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[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 1 points 4 minutes ago

Design wise, absolutely peaked in the 90s/2000s. Now everything looks like a copy of each other with uninspired designs across the board.

In terms of what it has to offer, I personally don't think so. Couldn't imagine going back 10-20 years ago and not having a device like my Steam Deck that can play computer games on the go (laptop not included since when are you realistically pulling out a laptop on a drive when heading out for errands?) or having a laptop not as thin as my current laptop or even just the touchscreen feature. I also couldn't imagine going back 20 years ago and not having a 1 or 2 TB portable external hard drive (or if they were out, being a lot more expensive than now).

[–] wowwoweowza@lemmy.world 4 points 51 minutes ago
  1. Bang. We needed to stop right effing there!
[–] 01011@monero.town 2 points 1 hour ago

You're not crazy. I feel that even when the tech is slightly better the trade offs make the overall deal worse.

More RAM but its soldered in on laptops. More storage on phones but no micro sd slot. No headphone jacks, the overall obsession with wireless audio that is not better. Streaming services suck for anything that is not a live event and I think eventually more people will realize that. Especially as they keep hiking prices. Clearnet internet has been destroyed.

[–] Platypus@lemmings.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Not really, one of my favourite games of all time came recently and it wouldn't be possible to exist without more current tech plus I like modern phones more and more

[–] antlion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

TV resolution peaked about 10 years ago with 1080p. The improvement to 4K and high dynamic range is minor.

3D gaming has plateaued as well. While it may be possible to make better graphics, those graphics don’t make better games.

Computers haven’t improved substantially in that time. The biggest improvement is maybe usb-c?

Solar energy and battery storage have drastically changed in the last 10 years. We are at the infancy of off grid building, micro grid communities, and more. Starlink is pretty life changing for rural dwellers. Hopefully combined with the van life movement there will be more interesting ways to live in the future, besides cities, suburbs, or rural. Covid telework normalization was a big and sudden shift, with lasting impacts.

Maybe the next 10 years will bring cellular data by satellite, and drone deliveries?

[–] chrizzowski@lemmy.ca 2 points 50 minutes ago (1 children)

Strong disagree about the 4k thing. Finally upgraded my aging 13 year old panels for a fancy new Asus 4k 27"and yeah it's dramatically better. Especially doing either architectural or photographic work on it. Smaller screens you've got a point though. 4k on a 5" phone seems excessive.

[–] antlion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 45 minutes ago (1 children)

I mean for television or movies. From across the room 4k is only slightly sharper than 1080p. Up close on a monitor is a different story.

[–] JordanZ@lemmy.world 1 points 13 minutes ago

It’s significantly better if you’re actually in the optimal range. Rest of article for image. HDR is fantastic on a OLED. Some cheap sets advertise HDR but it’s crap. I’ll also mention 4K from a disc is massively better than any streaming service I’ve come across. Netflix caps 4K streaming at 25 mbps and most of my disc are like 75-90mbps.

[–] Saltarello@lemmy.world 37 points 7 hours ago

Tech has definitely become worse since megacorps killed the little guys & sucked the fun out of everything. Open source & self hosting is becoming/has become the only way. So glad I taught myself how to do it

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 56 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

There was a lot of pioneering in the 70's. The first home computers, the first video games, the first mobile phones, all right there in the late 70's. Most people ended the 70's living like they did in the 60's but now there's cool shit like the Speak n' Spell. The average American home in 1979 had no microwave oven, a landline telephone and a TV that might have even been color. There were some nerds who had TRS-80s, some of them even had a modem so they could 300 baud each other. Normies saw none of this.

There was a lot of invention in the 80's. Home computer systems, video games etc. as we now commonly know them crystalized in the 80's. We emerged from the 80's with Nintendo as the dominant video game console platform, Motorola as basically the only name in cellular telephones and with x86 PCs running Microsoft operating systems as the dominant computing platform with Apple in a distant but solid second place. Video games were common, home computers weren't that out there, people still had land lines, and maybe cable TV or especially if you were out in the sticks you might have one of those giant satellite dishes. If you were a bit of an enthusiast you might have a modem to dial BBSes and that kind of stuff, but basically no one has an email address.

There was a lot of evolution in the 90's. With the possible exception of the world wide web which was switched on in August of '91, there weren't a lot of changes to how computing worked throughout the decade. Compare an IBM PS/2 from 1989 with a Compaq Presario from 1999. 3 1/4" floppy disk, CRT monitor attached via VGA, serial and parallel ports, keyboard and mouse attached via PS2 ports, Intel architecture with Microsoft operating system...it's the same machine 10 years later. The newer machine runs orders of magnitude faster, has orders of magnitude more RAM etc. but it still broadly speaking fills the same role in the user's life. An N64 is exactly what you'd expect the NES to look like after a decade. Cell phones have gotten sleeker and more available but it's still mostly a telephone that places telephone calls, it's the same machine Michael Douglas had in that one movie but now no longer a 2 pound brick. Bring a tech savvy teen from 1989 to 1999 and it won't take long to explain everything to him. The World Wide Web exists now, but a lot of retailers haven't embraced the online marketplace, the dotcom bubble bursts, it's not quite got the permanent grip on life yet.

There was a lot of revolution in the 2000's. Higher speed internet that allow for audio and video streaming, mp3 players and the upheaval those caused, the proliferation of digital cameras, the rise of social media. When I graduated high school in 2005, there were no iPhones, no Facebook, no Twitter, no Youtube. Google was a search engine that was gaining ground against Yahoo. The world was a vastly different place by the time I was through college. Take that savvy teen from 1989 and his counterpart from 1999 and explain to them how things work in 2009. It'll take a lot longer. In 2009 we had a lot of technology that had a lot of potential, and we were just starting to realize that potential. It was easy to see a bright future.

There was a lot of stagnation in the 2010's. We started the decade with smart phones and social media, and we ended the decade with smart phones and social media. Performance numbers for machines kept going up but you kinda don't notice; you buy a new phone and it's so much faster and more responsive, 4 years later it barely loads web pages and takes forever to launch an app because mobile apps are gaseous, they expand to take up their system. A lot of handset manufacturers have given up so now there are fewer options, and they've converged to basically one form factor. Distinguishing features are gone, things we used to be able to do aren't there anymore. The excitement wore off, this is how we do things now, and now everyone is here. Mobile app stores are full of phishing software, you're probably better advised to just use the mobile browser if you can, mainstream video gaming is now just skinner boxes, and by the end of the decade social media is all about propaganda silos and/or attention draining engagement slop.

Now we arrive in the 2020's where we find a lot of sinisterization. A lot of the tech world is becoming blatantly, nakedly evil. In truth this began in the 2010's, it's older than 4 years, but we're days away from the halfway point of the decade and it's becoming difficult to see the behavior of tech and media companies as driven only by greed, some of this can only come from a deep seated hatred of your fellow man. People have latched onto the term "enshittification" because it's got the word shit in it and that's hilarious, but...I see a spectrum with the stagnation of the teens represented with a green color and the sinisterization of the 20's represented with red, and the part in the middle where red and green make brown is enshittification.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 22 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

From an old geek; spot on.

Feels the same with lot of other tech too: space voyage, cars & motorcycles, robots, most are just like last year with some small cosmetic change or 7% more of this or that.

Sure, things are getting better but it doesn't feel like it does any more.

Edit: hey, Lemmy & the decentralised fediverse is quite cool new tech.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Dial-up could still be pretty exciting. Or at least for me.

I am just amazed by data transfer via sound. When I found SSTV I was amazed by the ability to transfer analog images by sound. I was playing around with it for hours for months. I can get amazed by random crap like that. I can hear the image as it's being transferred. So cool!

But recently I was playing around with QSSTV and found HamDRM. Same thing, but digital. And it's not only for digital images, it can take any binary file. Sadly, no Android apps for HamDRM unlike analog SSTV. So, I just saved it as wav, moved it to my phone and played it to my laptop.

Holy shit! I transferred a 55kB document in 5 minutes using sound! It just feels so crazy and awesome. It sounds basically like random noise, static, but there's real data in it. If only there was an Android app to do this, I could play around it for hours transferring small data back and forth over the air, using sound waves!

But hey, I can even be excited by a large QR code. 2 seconds of 8kbps MP3 in a QR code, pretty cool!

[–] Pleat1752@feddit.uk 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Any websites or projects showing the 2 sec of audio in a QR code? Sounds cool!

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 7 hours ago

Oh, I just simply used the data URI with base64-encoded MP3. It can be pasted directly into browser.

However, you could get far more with codec2, although it's very much a speech only codec. It goes as low as 700bps. So... roughly 20 - 25 seconds the same way, although you'd have to use the codec2 decoder instead of browser.
Sample: https://www.rowetel.com/downloads/codec2/hts2a_700c.wav
"These days a chicken is a rare dish"

Anyway, back to the MP3...

Just paste it into a browser.

[–] QuadratureSurfer@lemmy.world 177 points 13 hours ago (5 children)

To quote one of my favorite authors:


“I've come up with a set of rules that describe our reactions to technologies:
1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.
2. Anything that's invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.
3. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things.”


― Douglas Adams, The Salmon of Doubt: Hitchhiking the Galaxy One Last Time

[–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 28 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah but Facebook was invented when I was a teen and I knew pretty quickly that shit was evil.

At 15 the thing i wanted most in the world was an escape hatch from all these other assholes I had to spend my time with everyday at school. Right around that time Facebook arrived ensuring they would have more access to me and the people around me more then any other time in history.

[–] troed@fedia.io 12 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Libb@jlai.lu 30 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

This is the answer.

I beg to disagree. The answer is 42. The real issue being: to what question? :p

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[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 91 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I think new tech is still great, I think the issue is the business around that tech has gotten worse in the past decade

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 45 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (5 children)

Agree. 15+ years ago tech was developed for the tech itself, and it was simply ran as a service, usually for profit.

Now there's too much corporate pressure on monetizing every single aspect, so the tech ends up being bogged down with privacy violations, cookie banners, AI training, and pretty much anything else that gives the owner one extra anual cent per user.

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 38 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Aka “enshittification”

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 22 points 13 hours ago

Enshittification was always a thing but it has gotten exponentially worse over yhe past decade. Tech used to be run by tech enthusiasts, but now venture capital calls the shot a lot more than they used to.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 6 points 10 hours ago

What's crazy is that they were already making unbelievable amounts of money, but apparently that wasn't enough for them. They'd watch the world burn if it meant they could earn a few extra pennies per flame.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 3 points 9 hours ago

[off topic?]

Frank Zappa siad something like this; in the 1960's a bunch of music execs who liked Frank Sinatra and Louis Armstrong had to deal with the new wave coming in. They decided to throw money at every band they could find and as a result we got music ranging from The Mama's and The Papas to Iron Butterfly and beyond.

By the 1970s the next wave of record execs had realized that Motown acts all looked and sounded the same, but they made a lot of money. One Motown was fantastic, but dozens of them meant that everything was going to start looking and sounding the same.

Similar thing with the movies. Lots of wild experimental movies like Easy Rider and The Conversation got made in the 1970s, but when Star Wars came in the studios found their goldmine.

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[–] secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

I'm 22 and I feel the same way. 2012-2014 PC hardware was better and I do not care what anyone says. It's probably the software that was better but damn nowadays my 6 core 12 threaded CPU feels so ass in any task compared to my old ass Pentium. I have 32 gigs of RAM and shit can still be slow and unresponsive. Games are poorly optimized because they just focus on making it pretty but it barely looks better. Best example is counter strike 2 vs CS:GO. I played csgo on integrated graphics then on a 1050ti game was always smooth and looked good. Now CS2 looks blurry even with taa off. Runs like shit and sure it looks better but not that much better for it to run how it does.

Edit: another example is vermintide 2. I upgraded my hardware since I played the 1st one but it runs way worse than the 1st one.

I used to customize my desktop like crazy with the dumbest 3D effects. I was on a Pentium using Ubuntu 14.04, integrated graphics. Now I can't run discord and 3D effects without noticing the difference in performance.

Software is getting worse. Because it's getting more and more complex. Now even basic things back then are rough to do now.

I don't have proof or know enough to prove it but I can feel it.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 42 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (3 children)

It all went downhill when the expectation of an always-on internet connection became the norm. That gave us:

  • "Smart" appliances that have no business being connected to the internet
  • "Smart" TVs that turned into billboards we pay to have in our homes
  • Subscription everything as a service
  • Massive zero-day patches for all manner of software / video games (remember when software companies had to actually release finished/working software? Pepperidge Farm remembers)
  • Planned obsolescence and e-waste on steroids where devices only work with a cloud connection to the manufacturer's servers or as long as the manufacturer is in business to keep a required app up to date
  • Every piece of software seemingly sucking up all the data it can about you and feeding it back to the mothership so you can be profiled and sold to advertisers
  • Pretty much everything Apple does is designed to further lock you into their ecosystem and/or remove a port that's standard in order to pocket the savings and sell you a dongle for $29.99
  • Dwindling / disappearing availability of physical media you effectively own forever in favor of digital libraries that you only have a flimsy license to access at the company's whim (even though you "bought" the title for the same price it would have cost on physical media). Those have been ruled non-transferable (e.g. if you want to leave them to someone in your will) and the company going under leaves you with no rights or ability to get a refund or physical copy of things you supposedly bought but can no longer access.

Other than hardware getting more powerful and sometimes less expensive, every recent innovation has been used against us to take away the right to own, repair, and have any control over the tech we supposedly own.

Edits: I keep thinking of more things that annoy me lol.

[–] JeremyHuntQW12@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm not sure about the touch displays on cars.

How long does a Chinese tablet last, 10, 12 years ? If you keep it safely stored and don't drop it.

The things in cars seem to be even cheaper, they only use phone uPs designed to last no more than a few years. And they're roasted in hot weather, frozen and shaken to bits.

Good luck finding one of them in a few years, assuming they can be taken out at all without ripping up the dash.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 2 points 4 hours ago

I hate touch screens in general, so don't get me started on how much I hate them in cars lol.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 13 hours ago

And to force subscriptions, ads and tracking, the tech is getting more and more locked down.
Not just flashing phones and wifi routers, but you may not even watch high quality video, even though you're paying a subscription if your device's HW and SW don't conform.

If something gets discontinued, it's not just that it may be unsafe to use or be too slow for modern use, no, look at cloud-managed network gear. The company decides it's a paperweight, and it is. And this is going to just extend further.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 6 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Not discounting anything you listed, but I overcome lots of this by being patient. I find it best to let the dust settle on everything now. I don't even see new movies till like, the next year. Why be a beta tester for enshittification

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[–] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 10 points 11 hours ago

I'm young enough to tell you that it's not just nostalgia. Most new tech now is like "cool but impractical" at best and "I'm worrying about how this will be used to make the world worse" at worst. Nothing to make me think it's the future.

[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 12 points 12 hours ago

I blame the big tech companies. 10-20 years ago they were not that big so they didn't buy every competition to kill them. Now any time we get a new company or product that could change the world, one of the big 3 (apple, amazon, google) will buy them to keep the tech, code, or people for themselves.

Wanna see what not being bought by big tech is like? Look at what FOSS is doing. Look at Home Assistant, Jellyfin, AOSP is doing, it's making huge leaps without big tech.

[–] rImITywR@lemmy.world 23 points 13 hours ago

Its called enshitification. Its a process that's been happening in all areas of tech for a while now.

[–] iii@mander.xyz 22 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Your BS radar has simply improved I'm guessing. Go through a few hype cycles, and you learn the pattern.

Hardware is better than ever. The default path in software is spammier and more extortionist than ever.

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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 15 points 13 hours ago

Nah new tech is great. Flippers, steam decks, nano drones. Bluetooth was a joke a decade ago. Now we can do devices over wifi! Much of the tech from that era barely worked and was practically DIY levels of reliability. Rose colored glasses etc..

Which isn't to say that somethings haven't gotten outright shitty (M$, apple products, etc..). But widely, things are much much better. I think it depends how "mainstream" you are shopping. But if you were shopping "mainstream" then, it was just as shitty as it is today.

[–] tunetardis@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 hours ago

Every dog has its day, I suppose. Smart phones were exciting when they first emerged on the market and no one knew where the tech was going. Today, they're an every day appliance and a bit more ho-hum as a result.

At the moment, my tech junkie sights are set on micro-mobility. There's all sorts of fun stuff coming out of ebikes, scooters, and other contraptions, and the sector is still innovating hard and experiencing some growing pains and backlash because it has yet to move past that disruptive tech phase. In other words, it's awesome!

[–] solrize@lemmy.world 7 points 11 hours ago

Tech has advanced technically (for lack of a better word) but yeah, it's being used against us more than to our benefit a lot of the time.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Nah, people always think thing "peaked" during their era. Its probably nostalgia. Tech back then is, in my opinion, terrible.

I was born around 2000-2003 (not giving exact year for privacy reasons)

Examples:

When I got my first phone (like around 2015 or so), it was an android phone that didn't have great encryption. You had to manually enable encryption and its not File-Based encryption like in today's android phones, its Full Disk Encryption which mean alarms dont work if you reboot your phone. And it takes like an hour or 2 to first set up the encryption.

Phones have so much vulnerabilities. Stagefright, Blueborne, etc. Luckily, I never got hacked (or at least not that I'm aware of) but it was just unsettling to know your phone is vulnerable, and you're even already on the latest update. Also there was a lot of screenlock bypasses. Updates typically is only 1 year OS update and 2 year security updates, if even that. Updates were also very slow to get rolled out.

Security was so bad, I can root my android phone with a random app I downloaded by searching "Android Root", don't even need to connect to a pc. Like can you imagine a random app being able to just take root privilages on your phone.

Nowadays, phones are much more secure, even the cheapest samsung phone has 4 years of OS updates, 5 years of security updates. With better encryption.

Phone plans were expensive AF, well I was a kid, but the normal plans had those "Unlimited Data" but with a huge asterisk, data slows after like a certain amount like 5 GB or something, I was unlucky, my parents were a bit cheap so the family plan that I was on only had 30MB of 4g internet, then throttled to 128kbps. Unusable unless you are at home and have wifi.

Nowadays, unlimited plans have become the norm, the plan that I was on even got a free upgrade to unlimited high speed data.

Oh and HTTPS wasn't default in most sites, some didn't even have it. And no HSTS as far as I remember.

Back then, there were no such thing as Airtags or Samsung Smarttags that are so cheap and allows tracking misplace items or even your pets. (I mean there are privacy concerns... still, very useful if not misused)

There were no smart watches that can detect a heart attack. (They're not exactly accurate, but still...)

There were no phones that detect a car crash or even use satelites to make a sos call. (I'm talking about the iPhone 14)

I mean yes we have so much enshittification today, but that's not really a tech problem, its a corporate greed problem not doesn't just affect technology.

Technology isn't bad, its just the way we use it.

Like nuclear technology can be use to build bombs to destroy, or used in power plants to create energy.

[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Older nerd, just fyi: problem is that tech is just keys. They unlock the gates, positive for society or negative, sometimes simultaneously.

It's just interesting how the bags of cash are always behind the "bad for society gate"..

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

We just had an AI boom and now my computer can write text and code. It can generate images, voices and music almost as well as a human. This is in the last two years, I don't understand the feeling. I was personally blown away the first times I used things like chatgpt, stable diffusion, elvenlabs and udio.

[–] Zangoose@lemmy.world 10 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

My current phone has less utility than the phone I had in 2018, which had a headphone jack, SD card, IR emitter (I could use it as a TV remote!), heartrate sensor, and a decent camera.

My current laptop is less upgradable than pretty much anything that came out in 2010. The storage uses a technically standard but uncommon drive size, and the wifi and RAM are both soldered on. It is faster and has a nicer screen, but DRMs in web browsers make it hard to take advantage of that screen, and bloated electron apps make it not feel much faster.

Oh but here's the catch! Now, thanks to a significant amount of stolen data being used to train some autocorrect, my computer can generate code that's significantly worse than what I can write as a junior software dev with under a year of job experience, and takes twice as long to debug. It can also generate uncanny valley level images that look about like I typed in a one sentence prompt to get them.

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Buying shit products doesn't mean technology isn't advancing. My phone still has all the things you said and it was one of the cheaper models. Talking about sd cards, a 500 gb one is 20$. They didn't even exist in that size a decade ago if I'm not mistake.

Is this about technology advancing or if it's doing it morally? Your personal opinion on technology doesn't change its merit. And seriously, if you can't see the leaps and bound gen ai has done and how little of that uncanny feeling is left, you are just sitting there with your head in the sand.

Fact is, if I would have asked you three years ago how much time it will take for technology to advance to such a level where consumer computers can generate realistic images out of individual pixels, you would have straight up laughed at me. I bet you would have confidently told me it was impossible.

[–] Zangoose@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

And if I asked you 2 years ago I bet you'd think LLMs would have gotten a lot better by now :)

[–] AndyMFK@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

If you think an AI can do those things almost as good as a human, you should find more capable humans to hang out with

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

If it was shit, people wouldn't be complaining about having to compete with it.

It really depends on what we mean by "better than a human". Can AI draw better then the average human, yes. Can AI draw better then the best 10% of artists, no.

In any case, this is a tool. It helps me make up for the skills I don't have either to entertain me or help me. It just needs to be better then the human I can afford to hire, but I'm broke so the bar is low tbh.

And let's be honest too, the average human is kind of shit at most things, half of America can't even think for itself apparently, the bar isn't very high on what they can do either.

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