The commencement of whining about how the victim defending themselves is horribly unfair, unreasonable, and must be stopped at all costs, is always a feature of bullying. I don’t know why, but it is.
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When the bullied shows up with a gun, the bully suddenly tries peace.
People love fucking around
People hate finding out
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Putin could end this at any moment, by withdrawing.
Russia’s invasion of Ukraine could lead to world war.
Russia could easily avoid a world war by pulling out of Ukraine and paying them to rebuild
It's already a world war.
World War against who? You have nukes and a bunch of conventional forces which can't even beat Ukraine. If you have a suicide wish then fucking get it over with already and stop jerking us around
To be fair to them, there's not a ton of militaries that could beat Ukraine. They're pretty cracked. Gotta give them that, they're some of the best fighters we've seen in a very long time.
Except when it comes to retreating effectively. They suck at that part.
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Russia brought another country in to fight. Full stop. Theatrics.
And I think it’s likely. And it’s their fault.
Edit: We lose too, btw. Head in the clouds, cocks in our hands, and then everyone is going to wonder why the power went out and the taps went dry on day one.
I swear half the US wants it because they think they’ll wipe the floor gg and go back to drinking.
For any of this to lead to "world war" one of two things has to happen:
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The US directly enters the war on the side of Ukraine - If this didn't happen at any point in the last two years, it's not suddenly going to happen now. And it's not more likely to happen because the US "provokes" Russia, so it's irrelevant anyway.
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Russia directly attacks a NATO country - Why would Russia ever do this? They can't even defeat a NATO aligned independent nation. How the fuck would they ever have a hope in hell of defeating all of NATO? In what possible way would they benefit from escalating the war?
Russia claiming that American "provocations" will lead to world war is meaningless because the reality is that for them to be "provoked" into starting a war they would have to be provoked into voluntarily deleting their entire country.
No matter how badly this hypothetical world war 3 goes for anyone else, even if - no, especially if - it becomes a total nuclear war, the one guarantee is that Russia loses. And they lose hard. Putin's best case scenario here is great he Hitler's himself in a bunker in a few years and that's if he's lucky.
So unless Putin and every single person in his orbit have joined a suicide cult and are already cooking up a big old bowl of spicy Kool-Aid, there is no reason whatsoever to take these claims seriously.
Serious question:
What about China and Xi Jinping? North Korea has already thrown they're very flimsy and small hat into the ring...barely, but they did send troops.
What about them? Suppose China sends 100,000 troops to Ukraine? How does that expand the conflict in any way?
This is the problem with people just buying this Russian line about America "escalating" the conflict. Increasing the scale or intensity of the conflict in Ukraine has zero bearing on its scope. China entering the war doesn't force America, or any other NATO country, to suddenly become involved.
It doesn't matter if China sends a million troops. Ten million. At the end of the day the conflict is still between Ukraine, Russia, and Russia's co-beligerants. Even if Ukraine somehow ended up invading China, this still doesn't directly involvre NATO in the war.
The only thing that can possibly involve NATO is either NATO choosing to get directly involved, or some opposing party directly attacking NATO. And none of those opposing parties have anything to gain by attacking NATO. So why would they?
Thanks for the detailed answer, appreciate it!
Sorry if I seem like I'm getting a little bent out of shape about this stuff. It frustrates me because Russian propaganda in this area has been far, far more successful than it has any right to be. It's extremely easy to see through once you sit back and examine the basic mechanics of the situation, but I understand that that's difficult to do when being faced with something as terrifying as the threat of a global conflict.
In less than two months, Putin will control the US military.
I'm so glad I just retired from the US military. I'd hate to be serving while that dictator asshole comes back. I was still serving the first time he took office and it was bad times for us. We were able to push back on his more extreme demands of the military, but we don't have a Democrat-controlled govt to keep him in check this time around.
More importantly, we don't have any morally upstanding senators with the balls to hold the fucking Republicans in line. Even McCain had to find out he was dying of brain cancer before he stood against the machine to defend the right to healthcare.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but there aren't any Republicans left that will do that.
They would need 4, but Murkowski, Collins is 2. There is plenty of money to bribe republicans to favour Pharma, or agriculture sustainability (deportations), though I'm not sure if congress can "stop" a declaration of national emergency martial law.
Gotta use up all the good missiles before then.
In other words russias invasion of ukraine could cause a world war. Its not the ukrainians who decided to fuck around with russians.
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Hur dur us invading a country unprovoked isn't to blame.
Russian Officials say a lot of things
I'm kind of hopeful, actually, that the fact that they are publically whining so much about escalating to a world war is an indication that they don't have the means to do so, short of going Nuclear, and I think even Putin realizes how that will end up.
I mean, he is already bringing in foreign fighters. isn't that a concession that Russian fighters can't do the job in Ukraine themselves? If they had the means to escalate while still fighting in Ukraine, they wouldn't whine about it, they would just do it.
What's extra sickening to me, is that this cat has no trouble operating under the assumption that his own life, and power, and glory, are worth these unending untold thousands of other lives, when in actuality his life is worth less than any one of these soldiers'.
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I'm not even sure they can go nuclear. Nukes are expensive to maintain, and Putin buddies have been embezzling that money for a long time.
Russia has been rattling the World War saber for so long that it's lost all meaning. It's like they're copying North Korea's homework when it comes to international threats.
Make no mistake, we were headed there anyway.
Sadly with great orange Hitler in charge we're probably going to be the axis powers this time along with Putin and Winnie the Pooh and the rest of the world doesn't stand a chance because we have all the bombs.
I doubt the US is going to play an active role in that new Axis, no matter how much taintlicking Trump does... I think it's more likely we are simply declawed mostly due to a sudden internal focus shift (attempting to reroute the military to purge "illegals" and whatever other civil strife ensues as a result), leading to an effective breakdown of global presence and influence.
Once Trump takes office, the US is pretty much guaranteed to no longer be a global superpower. Maybe not overnight, but the damage done will take generations to fix and that's probably the real goal here... not to make the US join hands with them, but to entirely neutralize us as a potential threat or obstacle. We might still have all the bombs, but what use are they when our incoming government is more likely to use them on our own cities or be paralyzed with infighting about maybe not using them on our own cities?
Counterpoint: the military attack on illegals is a first step. An attempt to put the blame for all of our country's ills onto a specific class or ethnicity. This is exactly what Hitler did with the Jews. The next step would be to make a play to convince the populace that annexing another country would be an effective solution to cure the problems of the nation.
The fat orange fuck has literally bragged about reading Mein Kampf. He's reading from Hitler's playbook and using it as an instruction manual.
which one is this. 8, 9 ?
That Putin has threatened to end the world? It’s in the 20’s at least, but I lost count a while ago.
Part of me wishes he’d go ahead and pull the pin. Dealing with the consequences would probably distract Trump and his cronies for his entire term and would reduce the head count of his supporters, giving the sane folks in the US a chance to regroup.
Yeah yeah keep squawking.
Fucking bring it.
Newsflash: there is already a war. A one Russia can end tomorrow if they fuck off back into their borders.
Uh huh. Sure thing boss.
What exactly is it now?
Worldwide special military operation
Bark bark bark
Russian officials? Fuck those guys
It's still so weird they don't refer to Ukraine in any quality, it's always about them fighting the EU and the US because it makes their struggles look less pathetic.
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