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[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 30 points 6 days ago

The End of American Exceptionalism

But not the end of them claiming it regardless of the reality.

Then again, their claims of being the bestest ever at everything have been false for a very long time already.

[–] No1@aussie.zone 26 points 6 days ago (1 children)

"I live in the best country on the planet!"

"Have you ever been to another country?"

"Well, no. But why would I do that when I'm already in the best country!"

This doesn't apply to just the US...

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Traveling does wonders to people. Shame not a lot of people can afford it and even those who can not all travel.

[–] No1@aussie.zone 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

You have a point. After I wrote it I thought of 2 things. Firstly, even those that are lucky enough to travel will never travel everywhere. So, how can they claim the best without having seen all possibilities? Secondly, there are ways to learn and /or experience things without being physically present, like read about it in a book, or watch a documentary. That counts for something.

Now I think about it, I could have changed it to:

"I live in the best country on the planet!”

"Really? How do you know? How do you measure that? What evidence do you have to back that up?"

But, it would probably go all downhill from there, as the original one inevitably would....😆

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

There is a chance that Trump will inadvertently weaken the US long term, but nothing is certain so until it happens I am not getting my hopes up. The article though is neocon propaganda, they don't even mention the genocide in Gaza or pogroms in the West Bank.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

There is a chance that Trump will inadvertently weaken the US long term

He already did that the first time.

This time he'll double (or triple) down on that.

[–] finderscult@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 days ago

We can really only hope.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.ml -3 points 6 days ago

Exactly what pootin wants

[–] mercano@lemmy.world 63 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Trump was right about one thing, we are a nation in decline, but it’s not for the reasons he’s claiming.

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Democracies grant immense power to the electorate. Including the power of suicide. Democratic systems are inherently capable of ending themselves because ultimately their survival depends on enough people believing in the system and holding the integrity of the system to be more important than any particular democratic outcome. That is lost in the US. Most voters don't care.

That truth alone makes a decent argument for US being in decline. It will take a long time , but it's beginning.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The US isn't a democracy though, it is a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, where every election we get to select which group of oppressors will wield state power against us until the next one.

Also decline is caused by anticolonial resistance and the logic of capitalism breaking down. I would suggest reading Lenin's "imperialism" and Fanon's "wretched of the earth"

[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 days ago

Corrupt democracies should be suicided. Electoral college, first past the post, gerrymandering, partisant suprene court, gridlocked house and senate, bankers running money, wallstreet in charge of the commons, and that's just for starters

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 42 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It is difficult to get Drezner to understand that American exceptionalism is already dead when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Why does Will E Coyote look so much like a Swastika here

[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

End? It was always a myth?

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 6 points 6 days ago

Right? But American mainstream media would not admit that.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Maybe even the start of Americans engaging with reality, I'm not holding my breath though.

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[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (16 children)

They aren’t exceptional. They’re just like Russia.

[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago

I'd argue we're a lot more like the British empire in their glory days- exporting authoritarianism, subjugation, and hate globally, for as long as it serves our material benefit.

We learned from the best 🤷‍♂️

[–] Meltrax@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We are not just like Russia.

We aren't exceptional though, you got that right. America hasn't been exceptional in decades.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 week ago

Oh, it has… just not in the ways anyone would desire to be considered exceptional.

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