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Once Again, the Democratic Leadership Has Failed Us All (www.currentaffairs.org)
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[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 11 points 2 weeks ago

Voter's have failed us. The Dems have failed us. The justice system has failed us.

Trump has highlighted the fragility of the system. The Dems have had multiple years to fix some of it. They did none. Then they ran a mediocre candidate in the same vein as Hilary, who failed against Trump before.

Voter's need to realise that if they disagree with the Dems, voting for the GOP is not necessarily a better option. Voting third party is worse than voting someone you disagree with.

The Dems need to realise that they won't get Republican voters to vote for them. They should try to excite and plan for the voters based on good policy. Trying to play both sides gets you neither side. Be progressive or leave the Dems and be a Republican. There is no moderates in either side when one side is not negotiating in good faith.

Let the voters choose between two alternative visions. Not one vision, or the same vision with a racist demagogue at the front.

It's scary times ahead. However, it's been scary times for years now, so we are all used to it. Maybe that's the problem. We all want change. Trump promises it. He's just promising disruptive change without a coherent plan. Where is the Dems coherent plan for change?

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

These writers flip-flop all over the place. Just a month or two ago they were falling all over themselves to declare the Biden withdrawal a masterful stroke of tactical expertise. So they were both master tacticians and failures?

[–] freshcow@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Harris got a huge spike in popularity initially because she was NOT Biden. She then spent the remainder of her campaign explaining how she would be Biden exactly but less old, as well as trying to reach to the right. Her polling steadily trailed off as people realized it would be more of the same. If she had the courage to differentiate herself publicly in any way, (ESPECIALLY with respect to Gaza) we might be having a different conversation.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

I suspect that the DNC and her donors told her specifically not to do that.

[–] Homescool@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The media complex gushed over her. It was all manufactured.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And those whose brand would be hurt by endorsing her, shut up about her worst qualities (looking at you, John Oliver, you liberal dipshit) instead of highlighting third parties because, of course, the moguls would like very much to keep this managed democracy rather than risk an actual democracy, which can get rather messy to undermine.

[–] AHemlocksLie@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

You're never going to get meaningful change voting third party under the American voting system. A first past the post voting system will ALWAYS result in a two party system. If we hurt the current parties by voting third party enough to kill one, we'll just replace the dead party. It might be an improvement at first, but eventually, all the same forces push us back into the same end result after a while.

The US needs major reform to the electoral system. Switch from first past the post to something like ranked choice or approval voting. Abolish the fucking electoral college, which some states are attempting with a law to automatically grant all electoral college votes to the popular vote winner if enough states agree to make it guarantee the winner. Expand and guarantee access to mail in voting. And indirectly, reinvest in the fucking education system.

Of course, with full control of the federal government going to Republicans who benefit from all these problems, there's no way any of it gets addressed now.

[–] dontgooglefinderscult@lemmings.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

None of what you point out would be addressed under dem leadership.

Now to counter point, we do not have a whig party.

We've had first past the post the entire time.

We do not have a whig party.

We did. As one of the two options. Now we don't.

Voting third party works. Period. Every bit of propaganda you willingly repeat without thought is wrong, it was written by those that wanted to establish a uniparty duopoly. Stop doing their propaganda work for free.

[–] AHemlocksLie@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ranked choice voting exists in some regions of the US already. It sure as fuck won't come from the Republicans, but if voters actually cared to demand it, they could see it happen. It's not impossible, just utterly unknown to most of the populace.

[–] dontgooglefinderscult@lemmings.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

RCV just failed in a core blue state, Oregon. Dem leadership decided to run anti 117 ads, as well as repub leadership.

Voters demanded it, it was put on the ballot, and it failed because the average American votes with their party, their team, and both teams are against it.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"The democrats and republicans have made sure you can't elect anybody else, the solution is to vote for them to change it!"

Americans are so fucking cooked lmao

[–] AHemlocksLie@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 weeks ago

Primarily republicans. That's the party that benefits most from voter suppression, gerrymandering, shitty voting systems, etc. Ranked choice voting exists in some capacity in over a dozen states, and it trends heavily towards left leaning states.

The more important fact, however, is that it's an unknown idea that's not interesting enough to attract attention over more immediate problems.