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it is visible from the api for example and if i remeber correctly from other fediverse projects.

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[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 40 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It was taken out of the API about a year ago if I recall correctly.

It’s a good thing because people tried to use it for moderation decisions like Reddit, but it’s even more of a useless riggable metric on Lemmy.

So the community decided we’re better off without it.

[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Agreed. A karma total is a negative part of Reddit, and caused people to seek bigger number even harder than they already do.

[–] flashgnash@lemm.ee 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I didn't realise karma was even a thing here

IIRC it's an intentional decision

It's not visible here because it leads to people hive minding and being afraid to get down voted for saying the Wrong Opinion™️

Also because karma farmers on Reddit kinda suck

[–] 13esq@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Seeing the same old predictable jokes and pun threads as top comments with thousands of upvotes in serious posts was one of my least favourite things about Reddit.

Any post related to WWII - Top comment "I did Nazi that coming!" 5000 upvotes

The circle jerk was truly shit.

God as my witness, I used to be amused by the front fell off video. Now it's so cliche I'd skip a thread where it might come up. I deleted my reddit account a week ago and although changen is hard I don't miss the burnt humor that passed as culture.

But my Internet points!

[–] Jourei@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago

I believe it's per server/what software they run. You can migrate to one that has that feature.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Nobody reads the community rules or pinned posts :(

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[–] sorrybookbroke@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think this stands. This isn't asking for support or usage but the philosophy of not making karma visible. This community may not be all about lemmy but I'd argue it fits

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] sorrybookbroke@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't think we do personally. I don't love the gamification of social media and disagree with karma as a system of trust. I think visible karma is detrimental and has made upvoting more "I like this post and this person" rather than "I think more people should see this"

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

that's how karma ends up getting used no matter what you do; as exemplified by reddit and despite all efforts taken to prevent it by its professional staff of developers.

lemmy is run by volunteers who mostly have day jobs & other life hurdles and if people who are paid to dedicate their entire time were & are not able to mitigate karma abuse like it is on reddit; what hope is there for lemmy to succeed where they failed?

[–] sorrybookbroke@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

fwiw i think that karma could be useful in the future; but lemmy lacks the resources to implement it w/o it getting abused.

so i think it makes sense to wait for the those with the finances to pay for the development teams to figure it out and, once they do, we can copy/paste their idea(s) into implementing something like this that is viable and maintainable for lemmy.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago

It would have to be something like a per-community karma score to ensure it can’t be used out of context and to reduce the benefits of gaming the number.

I could also see a use for per-instance karma which only counts upvotes from users on that instance.

For example if I make a mainstream post on the election at lemmy.world and all the users from Hexbear downvote it, that shouldn’t affect my rep with lemmy.world admins, but Hexbear admins would appreciate knowing their local users consider me unacceptably capitalist.