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Why Greek, Roman and Norse mythologies are overused, where others rarely get used?

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[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Once upon a time, there was torrential rain. Such heavy downpour that the animals saw their homes flooding. They run to the hills, the flooding got worse; they run to higher hills, the flooding was still getting worse; eventually they couldn't help but gather together onto the largest hill of the region.

Such a ruckus wouldn't go unnoticed by the Mboi Guazú, the giant serpent; she woke up from her deep slumber, feeling a bit peckish. Unlike most animals she could see in the dark, and what she saw was a feast. Such abundance of prey! She could even ignore their meat, and go straight for the tastiest bits: the eyes.

So she ate the other animals' eyes. One by one. She ate so many eyes that they wouldn't fit the serpent's belly, but she kept eating them. So the eyes started appearing over her body, in-between her scales, creepily emitting light. The more eyes she ate, the more eyes she would have over her body, to the point that she was bright, she was light, she was fire.

She has become the Mboi-Tatá, or the "fire serpent". And she still roams those lands, looking for prey, burning the path as she goes through. If you ever find her while roaming, don't ever forget to close your eyes - and hope for the best.


Okay, that doesn't answer your question but I was in the mood of sharing a bit of the Guarani mythology, the fire serpent. This version of the myth is the one from the Mbyá.

If anyone wants I don't mind sharing other Guaraní myths. I also remember a few Kaingang ones.

[–] Wild_Mastic@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

It's interesting that so many religions from all around the world has a 'big flooding' story in it.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 1 points 2 weeks ago

Pretty much every place where humans lived on for any period of time has had a devastating flood event, so it's a "no brainer" when you think about it, much like how most (every?) ancient religions saw Sol and Luna as some sort of god/dess

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I also think that it's interesting. And I wonder if it's something shared by the "collective memory" of humankind, or if it's just that flooding events are so common and impactful that any culture is almost certain to develop that myth, given enough time.

[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

We keep living next to rivers because reliable water is the single most important consideration. Flooding happens. Most parts of the world independently developed sun and moon worship as well, and name colors in roughly the same order.

[–] NorthWestWind@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

cuz you live in the west ;) if you mean online, cuz it's made by the west

as a Hongkonger, almost all mythological references I see are Chinese

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Greek and Roman mythologies are almost the same, and they spread throughout all their conquered lands because they enforced their religion upon them, and any foreign religion was subsumed as 'oh, that's just another name for jupiter or something'.

The Greeks and Romans left so many written records and the Greek language is still alive, while Latin is well understood.

Hindu mythology also stayed very firmly alive, but only among people in India, and nobody else cared. Buddhism doesn't have the same kind of mythology, and it's different depending on where you go, and even the local politics (actually so is hindu mythology, it's basically the marvel comics universe but where each village priest makes up a few minor gods for themselves). China and Japan do have their own, pre-buddhist mythology, we see that a lot in anime.

Native American mythology was killed, a few times, by disease, violence, but mostly brutal Christianity.

Finally the Norse gods spent some time in England and Europe, after the Romans and Greeks, so they have some presence where they were considered interesting.

Mostly, English-centric literature and media, and literature students study it EXTENSIVELY for their degree, basically as a deconstruction of the evolution of storytelling and underlying tropes/archetypes. Less of this spread from elsewhere.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago

Greek and Roman mythologies are almost the same

Kind of. They're like bananas and plantains - they look similar, they have a similar origin, but once you bite into them they taste completely different.

A lot of the similarities are shared since the beginning, as they backtrack to the ancient Indo-European polytheism; you often see those similarities popping up in Norse mythology and Hinduism, for the same reason.

And beyond that, the Romans went out of their way to interpret foreign gods as variations of their own native gods, or outright copy them; not just the Greek ones, even stuff like Isis and Yahweh. So those similarities between Roman and Greek mythologies got actively reinforced once the Romans conquered Greece, and you got gods like Apollo and Bacchus being borrowed.

But the Romans still had their own specific gods, without Greek equivalents; like Janus Bifrons, who governs transitions and gates. And I feel like there's some "humanity" in the Greek myths absent from the Roman myths, almost like one saw the gods as powerful but flawed individuals and another as aspects of nature. For example you can cheat a Greek god and get away with it, but not a Roman one.

[Sorry for the info dump. I love this stuff.]

[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

I think there's at least 3 factors at play here.

First, you're probably living in a largely eurocentric bubble. You're not seeing other mythologies because they're not being marketed to you, and in some cases you may not even realize some of the ways that those mythologies and folklore and such are being presented to you because you just don't know what to look for (for example, Dragon Ball, in the beginning, borrowed very heavily from the 16th century Chinese novel Journey to the West, which is a hugely important book in Asian literature, and I swear every couple of years there's some new adaptation coming out, but it's not nearly as well known to Western audiences) and translations can get a little wonky, if you watch a movie or read a book from a non-western culture, instead of naming specific deities or other mythological figures, the translator may figure that no one reading the translation is going to know who that is so they'll translate it as something generic like "god" or "a great hero" instead of naming names.

Second, Western media is huge, and kind of overshadows a lot of other cultures. White Americans making movies in Hollywood are going to tend to pull from their own cultural backgrounds, and that often includes Greek, Norse, and Roman mythology.

Finally, a lot of it comes down to which mythologies we have actual written records of. The Norse, Greeks, and Romans all wrote about their gods to some extent, Slavic people, on the other hand, did not write until after they'd been converted to Christianity (the Cyrillic alphabet used in Russian and some other Slavic languages takes it's name from Saint Cyril, who helped to christianize the Slavic peoples, and was developed by his followers,) so there's no real first-hand accounts of their beliefs and practices, only second-hand accounts from other cultures who interacted with them and wrote down what they observed, and people recalling stories they'd heard about earlier times, and that comes with them inserting their own biases and interpretations and just plain getting things wrong. So if you wanted to write something about, for example, the Slavic gods Perun and Veles, you probably wouldn't have as much decent source material to work from as if you wanted to write about the roughly equivalent Norse gods- Thor and Loki.

[–] geekwithsoul@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago

In addition to the point about Western mythologies dominating because of cultural exports, I think there is also the undercurrent of England's original mythologies having been "lost" and so the English were always fascinated by the mythologies of the Norse (due to being invaded) and by the Greeks and Romans (as previous "great" civilizations they aspired to be).

Combine that with America's obvious English influences and the influence of England as a colonizer around the world, and those mythologies gained a huge outsized influence.

[–] bear@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

You ask English speakers why they remember the nearest extinct major religions of their ancestors.

[–] Nemo@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 weeks ago

Egyptian is pretty well-known but underrepresented in popular media.

There's a lot of weird Talmudic stuff about angels.

[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

As many others are pointing out, cultural hegemony plays a major role—but I think there’s another factor at play as well:

Greek, Roman, and Norse mythology have been dead and fossilized for a thousand years and more, and in the meantime a long tradition grew up of mining them for allegory, with their prior religious significance stripped away. Most other world mythologies, on the other hand, still form part of active belief systems, or recently died out under colonial occupation and so carry postcolonial political overtones. So borrowing from them could be more problematical, whereas classical mythology has basically been left up for grabs by its former adherents.