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Jill Stein Won’t Stop. No Matter Who Asks. (www.nytimes.com)

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While Ms. Stein condemns both “zombie political parties” as tools of Wall Street and war profiteers, her campaign has focused largely on hammering Ms. Harris, blaming the White House she serves for relentless violence in Gaza and Lebanon.

And Democrats, as never before, are focused on Ms. Stein.

The party has prepared a negative ad blitz for the election’s final weeks, its first-such effort ever directed at a third-party candidate. Fearful that Ms. Stein might divert critical votes in places like Michigan, Democrats are also pressing their case on billboards plastered recently across swing states:

“Jill Stein Helped Trump Once. Don’t Let Her Do It Again.”

She dismisses the “spoiler mythology” that has come to define her mainstream identity, noting — accurately enough — that some of her supporters would never back Ms. Harris anyway.

She says that Democrats would do well to look inward, disputing that she bears any responsibility for Mr. Trump’s fortunes, then or now.

“Those conversations never go anywhere,” Ms. Stein, 74, said in a wide-ranging interview.

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[–] bigbrowncommie69@hexbear.net 30 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Why should she? Her party represents different interests to the Democratic party. In a fair and just democracy she should be allowed to run for office to represent that platform. If the Democrats have an issue with that, then they should adopt some of those policies. For instance, one of her policies is an anti-genocide policy. This might seem a bit radical and extreme but it's apparently very popular. If the Democratic party stopped being pro-genocide then there would be less threat from Stein.

People really need to stop acting like the Green Party just came about in the last decade to spite the Democrats. If the Democrats had a decent platform they'd stop losing votes to them.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

For instance, one of her policies is an anti-genocide policy. This might seem a bit radical and extreme but it’s apparently very popular.

it saddens me greatly that the question of genocide in this overton window is not whether or not genocide should exist; but instead the question is how much genocide is acceptable and the only incorrect answer is "zero".

it makes me sadder still that social media is dominated by manufactured consent so thoroughly that pointing something like "genocide is bad" only brands you a radical; a malcontent; too idealistically optimistic; or simply ignored.

[–] bigbrowncommie69@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago

It's because "the overton window" is liberal nonsense. Genocide has always been acceptable to the liberal ideological hegemony. It only ceases to be acceptable when it's an enemy that does it.

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

People really need to stop acting like the Green Party just came about in the last decade to spite the Democrats. If the Democrats had a decent platform they’d stop losing votes to them.

Deep down I think Liberals know this. That's why they rage over it more every general election.

Addiitionally I find that Democrat supporters ignore the flipside of ridding the country of minor parties. The logic suggests that the Republican party would get an even larger boost of voters from the Libertarians. -That is if their reasoning were sound and applied universally.

[–] bigbrowncommie69@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

Yeah in any other parliamentary system Trump would have formed his own party and random independents wouldn't get anywhere near a major party's presidential nomination. It would be completely locked down by party establishment figures. There would be a number of other conservative and fascist parties "splitting" the vote as well.

[–] Volkditty@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

No one ever asked her to start, either.

[–] orbitz@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

Maybe not start but I'm sure there're groups that have encouraged her to keep running over the years. Eyes picture of her at dinner with Putin, other Russians and Flynn who Trump pardoned. Though I'm sure there're good reasons for her to be in that picture that aren't shady...I expect a lottery win about the time they make sense.

[–] basmati@lemmus.org 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure plenty of people asked her to run as president, given she's the most uncontroversial candidate from any party and is more qualified to be president than pretty much anyone else.

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[–] daltotron@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago

I dunno about this shit I'm probably just voting PSL.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago (23 children)

What even is her endgame?

[–] FancyManacles@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago (21 children)

To draw votes away from the Democratic party nominee at the behest of her Russian donors. NBC News Link about the infamous dinner.

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[–] Xaphanos@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My take:

To demonstrate that there is a more leftist population in the US public than is regularly recognized and shift the entire discussion in that direction.

To create a strong alternative to the major pro-corporate parties that is more in line with the rest of the liberal parties around the world.

To oppose the highly organized far right.

No, I won't vote for her this year. But I can appreciate the above goals.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

To create a strong alternative to the major pro-corporate parties that is more in line with the rest of the liberal parties around the world.

This is not how you do this. You don't disappear and pop up for a few months every four years. That is not how a legitimate political party operates.

She clearly does not give a shit about making the Green Party a legitimate alternative.

[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

FYI the green party is now openly admitting that their goal is to prevent Kamala Harris from winning the presidency.

The election has already started. Absentee ballots have been sent. We need to catch up rapidly. We need everyone here to get active. We need to be clear about what our goals are. We are not in a position to win the White House, but we do have a real opportunity to win something historic, we could deny Kamala Harris the state of Michigan. And the polls show that most likely Harris cannot win the election without Michigan.

https://www.nj.com/politics/2024/10/harris-vs-trump-spoiler-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud.html

GREEN = Getting Republicans Elected Every November

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