How about all the Russians getting forced in to a war just to die? Where is the criticism of Putin and his regime and the atrocities that he commits? Oh, that's right, it doesn't fit the narrative that mother Russia is superior to everyone else and deserve to take Ukrainian land.

It's pretty obvious that you're just fascist. It's going full circle in here.

Fucking clowns 🤣 Clowns living in a clown world is what you are 🤡🤡🤡

[–] bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

and saying that Ukrainians should just give up.

I'll try to argue in good faith and ask you - what evidence (other than this post, apparently it doesn't convince you) would be needed for you to admit that we don't want to fight, and it's Zelensky's regime (with West's support) that forces us to (and effectively genocides us)?

How about all the Russians getting forced in to a war just to die?

It's also bad. Russia is not turned into a mass prison which people can't leave and where they are kidnapped on the streets though, Ukraine is.
A man in Russia can leave at any moment.
A man in Ukraine is automatically a prisoner, he can only escape.

Where is the criticism of Putin and his regime and the atrocities that he commits?

Here it is: I condemn Putin for the atrocities he commits. I regularly hear from my friends and family, who are still in Ukraine, about Russian rockets/drones flying over them.

You see, I've tried to argue in good faith with you, despite you supporting Zelensky's fascist regime that tries to kill me and people I know. Now, can you do the same? :)

[+] DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

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[–] bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You didn't answer my question "what evidence (...) would be needed for you to admit that we don't want to fight, and it's Zelensky's regime (...) that forces us to (...)" :(

Putin is trying to take your homeland and you're doing nothing to prevent it.

What do you mean "take"?
What prevents me from living on the land Putin has taken?
Or let's be more exact - what prevents people in Crimea, Melitopol and other cities/regions taken by Putin to continue living there?
Or maybe you want to say that the life there is worse? Then please define in what way. Is it being able to freely move? Is it not being a subject to mass kidnappings? Is it being able to speak your mother tongue without being discriminated for it (or worse...)? Is it being able to form political parties? Is it being able to vote for your president (even if you consider the elections rigged)?

You're not even in your own country...

I cannot return there, until Zelensky's regime is done. If I go there - I won't be able to come back. I'll be imprisoned like the rest of the country. I'll be sooner or later kidnapped and sent to die.

Who should fight for their freedom if not the people that live there?

Fighting for freedom is fighting against Zelensky's regime, he is the one taking the freedom away. And it's extremely hard to fight him, as long as he has western support.

[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

I am against both sides, both states are braindead agents of Moloch. Dissolve the state meme. The is now Russia there is no Ukraine, these are just deadly brain rot.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 1 points 1 month ago

How about all the Russians getting forced in to a war just to die?

Just to clarify: do you suggest to murder everyone who was forced to get onto the battlefield, or do you mean Putin does this to them?

[–] coolusername@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

nice hasbara

mother Russia is superior to everyone else and deserve to take Ukrainian land.

Are you seriously getting your viewpoints about what Russia wants...FROM THE CIA? that's fucking insane. Here's what you should do. Find any translation of any spokesperson of Russia. Two famous ones are Lavrov and Maria something. Both of them are very intelligent and speak clearly.

edit: Also Russia doesn't target civilians. There's a thing that's commonly used by the US and Israel called atrocity propaganda. Look it up. Russia is taking casualties but it's not that much. It's approximately 1 death to 20-30 Ukranian deaths ATM.

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[–] bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Just today Zaluzhnyi (ex AFU Commander-in-Chief) said that if needed, they will start mobilizing (so kidnapping from the streets, etc.) women too.

And then it finally going to be a proper, total genocide of Ukrainians...

I am sure there are no red lines for Zelensky's regime now... He can start murdering kids, and it will be met with western applause...

[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Lol just statist things.

[–] Ascend910@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Humanity's favourite past time to trying the best to rip each other apart in any ways. On the battle fields of war but also in a comment section. It is hilarious to watch.

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