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Peggy may get a lot wrong but she was never more right than she is here.
Phoenix is a testament to man’s hubris.
man's hubris
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_thermoregulation
In general, humans appear physiologically well adapted to hot dry conditions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perspiration
Although sweating is found in a wide variety of mammals,[6][7] relatively few (apart from humans, horses, some primates and some bovidae) produce sweat in order to cool down.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistence_hunting
Persistence hunting, also known as endurance hunting or long-distance hunting, is a variant of pursuit predation in which a predator will bring down a prey item via indirect means, such as exhaustion, heat illness or injury.[1][2] Hunters of this type will typically display adaptions for distance running, such as longer legs,[3] temperature regulation,[4] and specialized cardiovascular systems.[5]
Humans are some of the best long distance runners in the animal kingdom;[6] some hunter gatherer tribes practice this form of hunting into the modern era.
The Darth Valley Challenge
A one-mile sprint…
At the hottest time of the day…
On the hottest day of the year…
In the hottest place on Earth…
Dressed as Darth Vader.
That's being done by humans for amusement. It'd kill most animals. Not saying that it's comfortable, but we can deal pretty well with an awful lot of heat if we have to.
If you want to talk the talk, you gotta walk the walk. But if you can do the walk, hey...might as well strut it.
TIL about the Darth Valley Challenge. Thanks for that!
If you're interested...that's a sprint. Also in Death Valley, there's the Badwater Ultramarathon:
The Badwater Ultramarathon is a 135-mile (217 km) ultramarathon race starting at −282 feet (−86 m)[1] below sea level in the Badwater Basin, in California's Death Valley, and ending at an elevation of 8,360 feet (2,550 m) at Whitney Portal, the trailhead to Mount Whitney. It takes place annually in mid-July when the weather conditions are most extreme and temperatures can reach 130 °F (54 °C).
−282 feet (−86 m)[1] below sea level
So 282 feet above sea level?
You sure need the proper footwear.
^ censored for a reason 🤢 link:
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-07-24/death-valley-shoes-lost-skin-burns
I’ll never understand how settlers moving out west to the beauty and resources of the coast, got to a blank desert and decided to ”This is the spot!”
No lumber, fucking hot, and natural water is scarce. WTF
It was primarily settled as a farming community at the confluence of two rivers to support nearby gold mines. Prior to that native Americans had a fair amount of canal works to provide irrigation to agriculture in the region. At the time it would have been seen as good fertile land, free from rocks and boulders that was beyond the frost line prime for agriculture if they brought fresh water from the nearby rivers.
Might also be worth noting that Arizona had a population of around 6k American settlers in 1860. About 160 years later, we're trying to cram in over 7M at a growth rate of around 20-30% per decade.
It's a big state, and its not all desert. But we may have passed the tipping point on sustainability about 6M people ago.
I know, let's grow some alfalfa!
It's brual. If you don't have AC in your house/mode of transportation, you can literally die of heat stroke in a few hours.
A fire fighter trainee literally died in Tucson recently from heat stroke. It's bad y'all. Stay away if you can.
Winter is decent though since it's like 50 - 70 lol
Obligatory, but it’s a dry heat!
Whenever someone says that, my reply is "So is a fire. Go jump in one and let me know how it feels." 🤣
Feels like Arizona!
LMAO OK. You got me with that one.
Slightly less racist tho
… huh?
Arizona is pretty racist. Is that not a known fact? I thought it was established.
it is well established; but there are plenty who willfully ignore that fact and you just ran into one of them.
Arizona is a state. While some of its residents have been known to struggle with skin color, and other simple concepts, the state itself is simply a geographic location.
Using the name of a place to refer to its residents is super common and widely-understood. It's a form of metonym.
Another example of metonymy would be "White House cracks down on crime", obviously the White House is a building and cannot enforce laws. "White House" in this situation is a metonym for the President and/or their administration.
Hope this helps clear up your confusion! 😊
That fire feels like Washington DC
Land doesn't vote. Are you just being obtuse?
I’m not accusing land of being racist
Right. Yes, the land. It's the land, clearly.
Arizona is hot. We are talking about heat, not racism.
I usually go with "so is your oven" but the sentiment atays the same
That's a good version of it too.
20% at 111°F is a degree or so close to imminent heat stroke (followed by death).
So yes hydrometry counts (90% at 90°F is bad too) but it won't always save you.
I'm a proponents of using a scale including hyrgrometry and not just only using temperature, especially when hot it's such a bullshit measure (temp only).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature
WBT 35°C or a WBGT of around 31°C represents the threshold where conditions become life-threatening.
100°F = ~37.8°C
"This is fine".
Why does anyone live there? Is it cheap?
It's like living in Minnesota, except the months of the year where you don't go outside are swapped. Winter is very nice, in summer you don't go outside. In the colder places, it's the opposite.
Nope, just hot and dry.
101 days now
103 there right now.
People are still moving there. They got the jobs and that's all that matters.
Drive thru liquor stores to
Just like Tasmanian 👍