I only got 7 a year and I live in Europe...
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That's 7 more than most Americans get
No but jokes aside where are you from so I don't move there
It looks like the average is 11 PTO days a year according to Forbes, with nearly a third of employees getting zero. I myself get 24 days a year with it going up to 29 in about a year. That said I'm terrified of being effed over by layoffs so I've been hoarding them like a dragon for the payout, which is arguably way way worse than having a nice federal minimum of PTO days.
Just make sure you actually do get a payout, had a friend screwed over by that recently.
Probably Turkey. Euro wannabes 😂
Netherlands. Fuck turkey lmao. The only thing turkeys are good for is being eaten during Thanksgiving.
Well either your employer was acting illegally or you were only working a few hours per week, which is it?
Minimum is 20 days in the Netherlands
I think or rather hope he confused vacation days with bank holidays.
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The average American has 11 vacation days a year.
https://www.forbes.com/advisor/business/pto-statistics/
I have unlimited plus my birthday off, once a quarter we all take off, a week for 4th of July, two weeks for Christmas and new years plus twenty holidays.
This is pretty standard for any job I’ve had.
Unlimited ?
Pretty standard now days. The only limit is I have to get my work done and it can’t be more than 4 weeks at a time. Oddly it can’t be used if you’re sick. You have to use sick time for being sick. That’s only 12 weeks but that’s when disability would kick in.
Wait, so you get "unlimited" paid vacation days? That sounds like complete corporate bullshit to me.. Who decideds when/if "work is done" or not? Even if your work isn't done (there is always more to do), you still deserve vacation/days off.
How many paid vacation days do people take on average a year? How many did you take this year/last year? What happens if your company decides that you have taken too many vacation days this year, will they mention it you want to discuss wages? What happens if someone doesn't take a minimum number of vacation days a year, will they be forced to take them or will they get praise for being a "hard worker"?
You're right to be wary of unlimited. It's primarily a way for employers to avoid having to pay out accrued vacation time when staff leave. And create the competitive environment you mentioned over taking few days vs a lot. It seems great at first glance but I'd prefer a set number of days, no ambiguity that way.
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I'm an electrician. How am I supposed to do this?
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Which country has such a low minimum? Or was that not a full time job?
He means weeks, not days
The European minimum is 10 I think
France is more than 7. Only things good here are benefits earned over the years by the workers struggle
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I get 4 weeks, plus sick days, plus parental leave, various types of training days and charitable days, plus a 2 week carry-over and I’m neither American nor European.
I realized how I am biased when i thought "how can he be neither American nor European?"
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Parental leave, sick days (unlimited), 10 national holidays, and 52 vacation days for me. And I am European. Edit. And two days telework a week.
The most heinous thing is lack of required sick time. And who is it that's least likely to get paid sick time? Customer service, of course, the ones coughing and sneezing all over your clothes and food.
I'm an American that had that, then we got bought by a German company that took it away. Shit's fucked.
Wtf that goes against reason
No, why? That's capitalism for you. It's still a US company/subsidiary, just with a German owner.
28 days + 8 Bank Holidays. Easter is great, you can have 16 days not at work, and only use 8 days holiday. (Good Friday and Easter Monday are Bank holidays, and I don't work weekends)
Self-employed, and not very well. I don't get any paid days off, unfortunately.
Well, that should be part of your hourly rate. I’m also self-employed and sick and personal days-off are factored in (with a large margin too, just in case!).
American. I’m one of the lucky few who have unlimited PTO. I’m seriously underpaid though.
Is that really a thing? I've seen it in a few job offers but I have trouble understanding how it works...
As I understand it you can take as many days as you want and it works on the company's trust, but that system sounds really toxic to me, isn't it?
Edit: I'm European with almost 7 weeks off a year for context
I've never experienced it but the somewhat obvious trick is that it turns into a race to the bottom, where if you want to outperform your peers (or even meet the expectations of the company), the number of days off you freely decided to take turns into a KPI.
So, people take even less days off when they are made free to take any amount.
It's why in Italy, for example, you can not refuse to go to holiday.
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So how many days do you take a year? As the other comments also touch upon, it becomes an outperform thing with co- workers, to take the least amount to "perform better". Also how easy and often do managers then deny requests?
With a fixed set it has an actual value, at the company they can't deny PTO's as they are yours. Of course planning comes into play a little bit, but if you let the company know that 2 months from now you take 4 weeks off for a good long summer holiday, that is what you will be doing then in those 2 months.
ps. I have 25 personal paid days, a bunch of public holidays. Doctor's appointments are on the 'please try to schedule them outside working hours if possible, otherwise, well, that's life, you need to visit that doctor'. Full travel reimbursement (fixed amount per month, can spend however i want), A lot of secondary items in my contract as well dealing with having to take care of partner / children if they become sick (is paid time off), etc etc.
I do not take as much as I should. 5 weeks last year? For doctor’s appointments and stuff like that though, no one cares. You just let your boss and your team know. I am on salary, not contract.
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35 days hols per year, would be 27 or something but they give us the English bank holidays as part of our allocation (am Scottish but it’s UK company).
30 days paid vacation + bank holidays + regional holidays + 0.5 days of vacation each on Christmas and new years eve + generally not having to work on weekends + generally not having to work longer than 8 hours a day + public transport ticket paid by the company.
Cannot complain.
I don't hate the Europeans for having fair working conditions. I hate the rich assholes that make my home country such a shitty place to live and work in.
It's time to emulate the french and set the place on fire if they don't start treating us fair.
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Australia is weirdly crap for this too. Only twenty days annual leave, though in theory you can bank it forever until you die at your desk.
I have:
14 fixed holidays.
31 vacation days.
35 hours workweek.
Summertime hours reduction (from 35 to 32 hours).
Fight for it, and force your countries and employers to apply those conditions, because I assure you, they are good.
What's the name of your employer again?
Seriously, those are really good conditions, I'm glad you are aware of that.
I cheated a little. As I'm employed by a public organization of the Spanish government. But it's true that we achieved these conditions because we have massive Unions here in the public sector. We are currently threatening with a strike if the remove remote work (as they are threatening to remove it).
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Summertime hours reduction (from 35 to 32 hours).
lol these are my regular hours (webdev in Germany with a 4-day work week)
I'm an American working in the u.s. for a company based in Germany. They have soooo many more days off than us. They're out at least 3 months of the year before taking additional PTO. They like to bring their European values of work to the u s. But unfortunately that doesn't mean that I get any more off time. I save all year from January to December and if I never took any of it my PTO amounts to 3 weeks. If you're an American they have different standards for you lol
Your first sentence sounds like the Zeiss add on youtube that has been after me several times a day for months now
I work for a company based in the uk, and I get off around thanksgiving until the start of the year. I horde my pto though.
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