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[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 173 points 2 months ago (18 children)

Bernie on the right side of history as usual

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 105 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

If Hillary's primary team hasn't taken over the DNC, we'd be coming out of term 2 of Bernie with one of the most progressive Supreme Courts in modern history...

Like just stop for a second and think about how much shit would be different if we took the slam dunk of Bernie against trump in 2016, instead of trying to cram Hillary Clinton down America's throats.

We were this fucking close to a functional society

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 42 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

But instead the corporate side of the party would rather lose an election and blame Sanders and the Greens for losing. Same thing in 2000. Nader gave Gore a list of policies and said he'd drop out and endorse him if he just promised to implement just 2 of those policies. Instead of doing that, he chose to lose, and then 9/11 and the Iraq war happened, setting off an unprecedented loss of civil liberties and law enforcement abuses under Bush (and I would still say that Bush Jr was probably worse than Trump in terms of body counts and terrible policies that are still in place).

[–] un_aristocrate@jlai.lu 9 points 2 months ago

He would rather be on the left side though.

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[–] N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.com 128 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

There’s an alternate timeline where Bernie won in 2016 and restored the middle class in America. Living wages, affordable housing, affordable everything, universal healthcare, and a common sense foreign policy.

I’m not saying he’s perfect. He would have made mistakes. But he would have been the best president since FDR.

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 114 points 2 months ago (9 children)

There’s an alternate timeline where he wins and can’t get anything through because there aren’t enough progressive Dems in the senate.

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 57 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

So the same as if any other Democrat won but unlike the other Democrats, at least he would have still tried?

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 35 points 2 months ago

Or where upon it seems he'll be blocked, he goes individually to each of the blocking members states or districts, and campaigns his ideas directly to those who will be most affected, both upsetting precedent and dra international attention to individuals blocking the legislation.

You act like there wasn't a plan. I assure you , there was a plan.

[–] would_be_appreciated@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Being in a position where the entire country hears his very reasonable, very easy to understand words over and over again would eventually have an effect. Even the die-hards would eventually be asking themselves if it is in fact reasonable that corporations are assfucking each and every one of us every single day. Some of them would vote in a more progressive representative.

Would he get everything passed? Absolutely not. But he would get some good stuff through.

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[–] N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 months ago

In that case, Bernie’s executive orders would have blotted out the sun. How do courts strike down student loans being forgiven under a new legal theory every month?

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[–] istanbullu@lemmy.ml 104 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This guy has a consistent habit of being on the right side of history.

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 33 points 2 months ago

Politicians hate him for his one simple trick

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 90 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Thank you Bernie for having both sense and moral courage. I mean it'll fail to pass because almost everyone else are bastards, but thank you anyway.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 months ago

I think it helps to force a vote on unpopular things they might not otherwise admit.

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[–] Jamil@lemm.ee 76 points 2 months ago (5 children)

It's not a 'sale'. It's a handout to the welfare apartheid state, while Americans are wondering why their roads are falling apart, their education sucks and no universal health care.

[–] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 20 points 2 months ago

Tell that to the arms companies that are supplying about 5 bil worth of stuff for 20 bil of taxpayer's money

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 74 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I like taxes. I want them to fund things in my community. I don't want them paying for the deaths of an entire people.

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[–] foggianism@lemmy.world 58 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Bernie is a national treasure. His qualities as a politician and as a human being are going be recognized by the generations to come.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If we don't elect more people like him quick, I'm afraid future generations will see us as all the same.

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[–] alienanimals@lemmy.world 50 points 2 months ago

Bernie should have been president.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 39 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I wish Bernie would weaponize the filibuster the way Rand Paul does to block these things. I'm glad his heart is in the right place and I'm glad he does these things, but he doesn't want to play dirty and it's 2024, you need to play dirty when they're willing to.

[–] stormeuh@lemmy.world 33 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The problem with using the filibuster is that it only works when you know the other side doesn't have 67% in the senate. With both the democratic and republican parties being in the pocket of AIPAC, I suspect they could easily get the votes to break Bernie's filibuster.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Maybe, but I feel like it's worth a try.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

If anything could get the Democrats to actually get rid of the filibuster, it would be blocking weapons for genocide.

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My dude, Bernie did a 8.5 hour filibuster and was coherent and on point the whole time, no phone book reading https://youtu.be/pm6qy_9E0rY

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[–] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 33 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Give it all to Ukraine instead.

Fuck Israel. Fuck putin.

[–] aaaaace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 months ago

Convince Israel that the Palestinians have resettled in Russia.

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[–] DJDarren@thelemmy.club 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

How very antisemiti...oh, hang on...

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[–] MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

Lets go Bernieee

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 16 points 2 months ago

The Jew Bernie Sanders is ANTISEMITIC!

[–] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

But please think about the shareholders!

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

It won’t work, but bless his actual heart for trying.

[–] nkat2112@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 months ago

Thank you, Senator Bernard Sanders. You rock and you're my hero.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Aipac fuming

[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

How much can he hold up the sale if the rest of the senators are on board?

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