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[French media] said the investigation was focused on a lack of moderators on Telegram, and that police considered that this situation allowed criminal activity to go on undeterred on the messaging app.
Europe defending its citizens against the tech giants, I'm sure.
Safe harbour equivalent rules should apply, no? That is, the platforms should not be held liable as long as the platform does not permit for illegal activities on the platform, offer proper reporting mechanism, and documented workflows to investigate + act against reported activity.
It feels like a slippery slope to arrest people on grounds of suspicion (until proven otherwise) of lack of moderation.
Thing is, Telegram don't do shit about it
I don’t know how they manage their platform — I don’t use it, so it’s irrelevant for me personally — was this proven anywhere in a court of law?
Telegram does moderation of political content they don't like.
Also Telegram does have means to control whatever they want.
And sometimes they also hide certain content from select regions.
Thus - if they make such decisions, then apparently CP and such are in their interest. Maybe to collect information for blackmail by some special services (Durov went to France from Baku, and Azerbaijan is friendly with Israel, and Mossad is even suspected of being connected to Epstein operation), maybe just for profit.
Do you have any links/sources about this? I'm not saying you’re wrong, I’m just interested
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There's a lot of really really dark shit on telegram that's for sure.
So does Facebook and twatter
I don't recall CP/gore being readily available on those platforms, it gets reported/removed pretty quickly.
You're young. It really was a thing. It never stayed up long, and they found ways to make it essentially instantaneous, but there was a time it was easy to find very unpleasant things on Facebook, whether you wanted to or not. Gore in specific was easy to run across at one point. CP, it was more offers to sell it.
They fixed it, and it isn't like that now, but it was a problem in the first year or two.
And there are still informal networks of Pedos and other pests operating on these platforms to this day.
Haha, young ? i wish. But go on making stuff up.
So now it's not that it's readily available, it's that it was in the beginning. So everyone is allowed to let CP go in the first years of their platform? Is that what youre going with. Eww
The fuck are you smoking?
Damn, I hope there's no upper limit to block lists
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I do but ok
Riiight
You're not using the right search terms?
Readily available means you don't need to search. Y'all are on another level searching for this shit lmao.
https://www.comparitech.com/blog/vpn-privacy/child-abuse-online-statistics/
Can't claim how valid any of that info is but confirms my bias
A quick search will produce a lot reddit discussions on the topic too.
FFS we had Catholic clerky raping children and our clown society just said Mehh that's just how things be for the peasants
Then clowns like you try to down play the issue so you can cope that your team is good 🤡
In your head in confirms what you want, because you're biased. You just don't know what "readily available" means. Can't help you there. Your entire article makes my point..
The content on telegram is there almost indefinitely, and readily available. What youre sharing is almost instant bans, includes also reports to links of suspected activity, not the content directly.
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So you don't see the difference between the platforms that actually has measures in place to try and prevent it and platforms that intentionally don't have measures in place to try and prevent it?
Man, Lemmings must be even dumber than Redditors or something
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Hell yeah. I always hated Telegram, because of its countless false promises, misleading claims, bad encryption (which isn't even enabled by default) and shady background.
That bad encryption was not cracked for now. The other one, that is used to process chats between 2 users in end to end mode, can't be enabled by default because it assumes no history is kept and no support for group chats.
Also, the arrest doesn't seem to be related to any of the things you mentioned. If anything it shows there are no ways for (certain) governments to affect the messenger, for now.
That bad encryption was not cracked for now.
There's no need if you control the server.
End to end encryption was created specifically so that the server could not access the data.
So how many people use E2EE with Telegram?
And their ToS forbids alternative clients doing that. Say, using Pidgin with PGP or OTR. Since Pidgin plugins for TG and these exist, it's not a limitation for me, but most people, again, don't use Pidgin to chat in TG.
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You haven't read the article or the summary from the comments, have you?
Why arrest him? Why not threaten to block the app in France or something like that?
And why only arrest him? Should the discord creators also be arrested for some shady channels? Should Elon Musk be arrested because twitter is the equivalent of fhe fifth circle of hell?
So they can make a very convincing case for a backdoor, in exchange for his release. And maybe some compensation for continued cooperation. Both come out winning and they get to claim nothing happened.
Government cyber security dealings as usual. or not. who knows?
It's one of the most popular social media apps in Russia that is not banned or blocked. I would bet they already have a backdoor for the Russian police and intelligence agency...
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Clearest difference I can see is:
- people who act more in the interest of society and less in the interest of those in power get arrested
- people who help those in power tighten the leash on society (fuckerberg, muskrat, etc) get courted and don't ever face consequences
In other words: A high profile person in tech being threatened with arrest / being arrested by western countries is a pretty good sign that they were not cooperating with our totalitarian overlords & providing us with ways to preserve our privacy.
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I don't use Telegram because I don't think it's secure, but this is still bullshit.
Yea, no way I'm giving them my number
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TF1 and BFM both said the investigation was focused on a lack of moderators on Telegram
I would vaguely imagine that they aren't going to be very happy about the Threadiverse when they discover us. There's no global moderator team to make moderate things.
At some point the Fediverse is going to have to protect itself from Europe.
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Depends if it's encrypted
Telegram isn't either. Certainly not by default, and definitely not public channels.
Telegram is encrypted, just not e2e.
There's moderation per community and per server. There's no "fediverse moderator", of course, but I think you're vaguely worrying for nothing.
It certainly is against the GDPR to federate with US instances. US law enforcement could get their hands on our data!
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I don't really know much about this topic even after reading the article. It does bother me however that there's so many channels/server on Telegram full of spammers that seem to offer drugs and prostitution. It's almost like those were the only things that exist in this world. Which is such a huge waste of a chat program.
Also who the hell listens to any of the nonsense influencers/politicians write in their heavily biased channels, seriously, I can't find a sane reason to join those, yet strangely that seems to be the only reason the masses use this tool. It's all just confusing.
2015: A Russian performance artist, Pyotr Pavlensky -- notable for some high-profile actions, like nailing his scrotum to Red Square with a nailgun -- is arrested after he sets fire to the door to the headquarters of the FSB.
France extends him political asylum.
2017: Pavlensky is arrested after he sets fire to the door to the Bank of France.
There's a certain degree of symmetry with Pavel Durov.
Telegram is for schizophrenics and nazis who aren’t ready to do it in public. If you think you need telegram, you actually probably need a friend.
No.
I've been using it for 10 years. Back then, it just started out as a chat app with group support - just like Wahstapp, but free (yes, WA used to cost money) and way better than SMS.
My entire social circle switched to it, and has been using it ever since. Why? Because to this day, it's easily the best chat app, feature wise. Literally every time WhatsApp or Signal or Threema add a shiny new feature, Telegram has already had it for a while.
Since Covid however, there is a huge stigma attached to it, and I do get why. It's sad, really. I wish there was a 1:1 clone of Telegram's chat features, minus the Channels (or whatever they are called).
With your analytical skills you should probably solve world problems and find cures for incurable diseases, don't waste your time on us!
They should let him go free if he can convince 5 telegram users it’s safe to rsvp to Thanksgiving over sms.
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