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I remember when I was growing up, tech industry has so many people that were admirable, and you wanted to aspire to be in life. Bill Gates, founders of Google Larry Page, Sergey brin, Steve Jobs (wasn't perfect but on a surface level, he was still at least a pretty decent guy), basically everyone involved in gaming from Xbox to PlayStation and so on, Tom from MySpace... So many admirable people who were actually really great....

Now, people are just trash. Look at Mark Zuckerberg who leads Facebook. Dude is a lizard man, anytime you think he has shown some character growth he does something truly horrible and illegal that he should be thrown in prison for. For example, he's been buying up properties in Hawaii and basically stealing them from the locals. He's basically committing human rights violations by violating the culture of Hawaiian natives and their land deeds that are passed down from generation to generation. He has been systematically stealing them and building a wall on Hawaii, basically a f*cking colonizer. That's what the guy is. I thought he was a good upstanding person until I learned all these things about him

Current CEO of Google is peak dirtbag. Dude has no interest in the company or it's success at all, his only concern is patting his pockets while he is there as CEO, and appeasing the shareholders. He has zero interest in helping or making anyone's life pleasant at the company. Truly a dirtbag in every way.

Current CEO of Home Depot, which I now consider a tech company because they have moved out of retail and into the online space and they are rapidly restructuring their entire business around online sales, that dude is a total piece of work conservative racist. I remember working for this company, This dude's entire focus is eliminating as many people as feasibly possible from working in the store, making their life living heck, does not see people as human beings at all. Just wants to eliminate anyone and everyone they possibly can, think they are a slave labor force

Elon musk, we all know about him, don't need to really say much. Every time you think he's doing something good for society, he proves you wrong And does the worst thing he can possibly do in that situation. It's like he's specifically trying to make the world the worst place possible everyday

Like, damn. What the heck happened to the world? You know? I thought the tech industry was supposed to be filled with these brilliant genius people who are really good for the world...

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[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago

Narcicistic sociopaths are the best profile to boost profit. Even some of the "good guys" you listed as founders were some trashy pricks.

[–] JackDark@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

when I was growing up

This is really the key. We're all stupid and unaware of how things work and the particular goings-ons when we're kids. There were plenty of shitty people running the tech giant companies back then, but we just didn't realize the extent of what was happening.

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Yeah we're baffled about how kids get sucked into worshipping Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos, but I remember a brief time in my life when I thought Steve Jobs was the greatest and that he singlehandedly invented the iPhone with a rusty pair of pliers and gumption.

[–] ZeroGravitas@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago

Perfect human beings don't exist. Apparently there's a religion positing there was one perfect human, but we nailed him to a cross for interfering with business.

Here's a thought. If you were able to get away with Almost Anything (TM) and were surrounded by people praising your genius, dashing good looks and boundless generosity towards their persons, how long would it take for you to lose your moral compass, you think? You would pretty soon lose your frame of reference to the normal people, and your empathy would follow. And that's assuming you're not 2nd or 3rd generation ultra rich, in which case you never had it to begin with.

Succession is a very good TV series exploring the mindset of such people, if you want to see it in action. Otherwise, history is full of examples - such as Nero, the greatest poet to ever set fire to Rome.

I know there are exceptions, like everywhere else in life. But those tend to cultivate humility as a habit, like other people go to the gym.

[–] droopy4096@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago

lack of "social intelligence". They mostly rose through the ranks because their technical (or business) skill. They never had to act for benefit of others to advanve

[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

The link below isn't the fundamental reason, but I think it helps to explain the shift in mindset. With the best of intentions and a desire to innovate and help people live better...the ersartz movement became corrupted by conspicuous consumption and a "disruptor" capitalist mindset:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whole_Earth_Catalog

[–] TheBigBrother@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Late stage capitalism.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Greed. A sane person will walk away from working once they have enough saved to comfortably retire.

$100 million can let you live comfortably forever, but there are plenty of people who want that much every year.

Those are the folks who become 'leaders.'

[–] DontMakeMoreBabies@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago

And they should be eaten.

[–] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 months ago

I generally think Satya is a fairly decent guy.

Microsoft is still a fucking shit show, but still.

[–] owenfromcanada@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Capitalism. Specifically, the stock market. IPOs make good companies into bad companies.

Being owned by stockholders effectively removes any amount of "human" in the company's choices and direction. There becomes a single goal, to which everything else is sacrificed: make stock prices go up in the short term. The C-suite execs will say all sorts of other shit, but any appearance of accountability or altruism is solely geared to making more money at any cost. Any leadership with a soul will be forced to either give up trying to be "good", or they leave.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I remember when I was growing up, tech industry has so many people that were admirable

Perhaps you were too young to understand who these people were:

  • Bill Gates dominated the PC world with aggressive business tactics and vendor lock in.
  • Larry Ellison bought up his competitors and jack up prices on databsae products owning the industry for more than a decade.
  • Steve Jobs lied and cheated his investors, his family, and his closest friends to benefit himself.

Tom was a good guy, but possibly because he took his fortune and left tech. There were very few admirable leaders.

[–] kfchan@fedia.io 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Steve Jobs decided to kill himself by being an idiot.

So...there was a redemption arc there.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I'm not a fan of ~~Hitler~~ Steve Jobs, but I am a big fan of the guy who killed ~~Hitler~~ Steve Jobs.

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

That man's killer's name?

Steve Jobs 🔔

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[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The information technology industry in the US has always had a thread of Ayn Rand's philosophy running through it. Some of the people who were part of the computer revolution in the 70s and 80s knew her personally, and thought of themselves as Randian heroes (which is to say, they were narcissists). This is sort of a foundational aspect of the culture of Silicon Valley, so it's always been there.

I highly recommend the documentary All Watched Over By Machines of Loving Grace by Adam Curtis.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton

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[–] RagingHungryPanda@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago

Capital demands growth. It doesn't care how you do it. It doesn't track or reward whether you did it by making the world better or by creating death squads and working with the CIA to kill thousands of people and overthrow a government that wanted to charge you taxes and limit the amount of land you could have.

It's been this way, and worse, for a long time. But bear in mind that Twitter gave us the ability to see how billionaires think. Modern media made them more accessible. They didn't change, our knowledge of them did.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don't ever remember Bill Gates or Steve Jobs being good people. Or Jeff Bezos, trying to kill bookstores.

The guys behind Google seemed okay at first and I think they really wanted to do good. But the way the company culture was built was toxic.

But in the end it's all about the greed. As soon as a company becomes public and whose stocks become available on the market, it turns to shit.

Look at how Steam is going well and actually helping personal computing progress. Gabe Newell is doing a great job because he loves that he does and ensures the people who work for him do too.

[–] Ashtear@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Newell also has overseen Valve as one of the pioneers of the most predatory monetization in the video game industry (lootboxes, etc.).

There are no saints at this level.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You're not going to out-compete the sociopaths if you're a saint. That's a reality.

[–] beejjorgensen@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 3 months ago

And in politics, too!

[–] GiveMemes@jlai.lu 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I mean their unwillingness to do anything about the market abuse and rampant child-gambling aside, the lootboxes for purely cosmetic items are one of the least predatory ways to do microtransactions. It's not like EA where the only way to unlock entire characters in some games is to grind for hundreds of hours or pay, or like COD where they took the lootbox idea and made it actually affect (multiplayer) gameplay

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[–] schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You listed a bunch of people who were "good", but honestly, none of them were. You just weren't necessarily aware of how Bill Gates treated anyone who had anything he wanted, or what Steve Jobs did to his daughter.

Honestly, the lesson here is All CEOs Are Bad, it's just that some are only moderate psychopaths instead of ones that skin cats and then stuff them into mailboxes.

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[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I don't know much about the other guys you named, but close friend of Jeffry Epstein, Bill Gates is a demon with good PR. A lot of his outreach consists of privatizing schools in Africa and America, testing vaccines on tribal girls in India without consent, and demanding Oxford sell their covid vaccine instead of releasing it free..

But if you google anything about Bill Gates medical activities, they get drowned out by puff pieces and fact checks about microchips in vaccines instead of the.

[–] unmagical@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago

It was a lot easier to pretend to be a good person when every moral failure you make wasn't broadcast around the world the moment it was discovered. Case and point, look into Bill Gates more. He wasn't always a respectful guy, got caught up in the whole "filthy communists" schtick when the government was investigating his company, advocates for more restrictive control of aid distribution favoring manufacturers more than those he's trying to help, conflicts of interest in his charity, opposing twitters ban of Trump after the insurrection, etc.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 0 points 3 months ago

"Leaders"

They were always bad people but media shilled them as good guys... Buffet is similar example. We all LARPed it. Now we are learning the hard truth.

These people a part of the owner class and control key portions of us and global economy.

They are not the same as the rest of us. They know it and they act upon it.

When you step on an ant do you even notice?

They don't either peasant, now get back to fucking cucking and making daddy some mother fucking money, boy

[–] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)
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[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 0 points 3 months ago (9 children)

Bill Gates was a huge piece of shit in his heyday, rivalling the Zuckerberg and Musks of today, and Jobs was an abusive narcissist shitcunt on a surface level.

Tom and Zuckerberg both came from the same time. Zuck was shit since day 1, today has nothing to do with it.

I think you just have some very rose tinted glasses.

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago (22 children)

I think it’s easier to name the people who have been decent in tech. Woz seems like a decent guy.

Ted Waite all in all was decent. Not perfect but decent.

[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago (11 children)

There are no good billionaires

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[–] xyguy@startrek.website 0 points 3 months ago

My thought is that these people think that their smarter than everyone else therefore they are justified doing anything they do. On the other hand, anyone with a billion dollars got it by making a whole lot of other people poorer. And they ate neither actually geniuses nor benevolent in any other way.

The Phillip Morris CEO makes money by hooking people onto something that isn't good for them. Tech CEOs are very seldom any different. Anyone who says otherwise usually has a financial interest in making you believe them.

[–] AshMan85@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Because tech is capitalism, and it goes hand in hand with fascism

[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Power corrupts people. On top of that, the capitalist machine isn't satisfied with "just okay" performance. It's infinite growth, or nothing. Once you hit the upper limit of what you can deliver, you start delivering the same, but with a lot of cut corners

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Quick guess - as people become enormously successful, the values they had as individuals often fade. Executives forget what it was like to live paycheck to paycheck (assuming they didn’t have rich parents to begin with). They feel less need to hide (or even acknowledge) their flaws, because now they’re making “fuck you” money.

Our society values money over integrity. If you’re rich enough, you can literally get away with murder.

[–] BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world 0 points 3 months ago

That assumes success under capitalism is possible for people with morals in the first place. Maybe once upon a time, but I'm firmly of the opinion that it is impossible to be financially successful and be a good person.

[–] ogmios@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago

Because being an industry leader is more about controlling people rather than whatever it is that your industry produces.

[–] tabular@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

When tech isn't controlled by the user then the user is controlled by the dev, and power corrupts.

Some are born selfish and others are molded by our insistence you strive for money to survive.

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Bill Gates admirable? Did we grow up in the 90s in the same dimension? Him and Windows were the butt of almost every IT joke, and there was his whole thing of never doing anything original or innovative except gobbling up companies and tech who were. Then the court battles. Those were a pretty big thing, even as a teen I followed the progress of it on the news. Then holding the whole web back for almost a decade as we had to deal with the monopoly of IE.

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[–] shartworx@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Well, buttflapper...

Capitalism filters sociopaths to the top. It's a feature, not a bug. It has always been this way. Read about Henry Ford and JD Rockefeller, John Kellog. The list goes on.

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[–] superterran@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Oh summer child

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Capitalism is the death of society and aligns the interests of people and corporations alike towards a race to the bottom for maximum exploitation.

[–] NotAnotherLemmyUser@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

What economic concept are you proposing that's better than the current systems in place?

At least government regulations can help keep capitalism in check, but taking that too far leads to monopolies and dictatorships.

[–] ValorieAF@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Because money

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