Am I the only one who thinks vacuums, washing machines, fridges and so on shouldn't be connected to the internet?
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no you are not. I will not buy an internet connected anything as long as possible.
I've seen tower fans with Wifi. Why on earth does a fan need to contact the internet?
Most smarthome products are only worthwhile if they're coupled with other devices in IFTTT style workflows. Like a morning routine where lights come on, the blinds open, and your playlist starts when you fist bump the air or yell "still alive". A fan is stupid because you can control most fans from a smart plug, but a fan could come in handy for a grow operation, to maintain a level of humidity or whatever; coupled with a smart hygrometer/thermometer, irrigation, and server.
The problem is capitalism — every company tried to create their own walled gardens out of pure greed, so nobody except rich morons were willing to commit to automating their lives with a product/brand/platform that may not exist tomorrow, and won't work with any other brand/platforms products, so all they've done is collectively hamstrung the entire markets growth, and created mountains of e-waste. Things are starting to move in a better direction, but until I can setup a cost-effective smarthome 100% offline, LAN only, managed by my own FOSS home server, I'm not gonna bother with anything more than a few standalone devices (e.g. pet-cam, mood lighting, etc).
until I can setup a cost-effective smarthome 100% offline, LAN only, managed by my own FOSS home server, I'm not gonna bother
I have that for several years now, with Tasmota devices and a Home Assistant server.
I am going one step further even: most of the logic continues to work even if the Home Assistant server is down. I just have less additional control by smartphone then, and less statistics.
I don't even have a smart tv, I don't want anything other than my phone and laptop connected to the internet.
I keep asking this in comments around this kind of article. People are like, "it's convenient though."
I’m not super happy about it, but my roomba is absolutely essential now that I’ve been spoiled with it. I don’t like the idea of any of my appliances being online straight tied to a vendor’s app and service - but I’m willing to accept the trade off in this instance. Maybe someday I’ll upgrade to a different robot vac. I know there are FOSS setups to work around some of those challenges and circumvent some of the BS.
As someone who has never felt the need for a roomba
What so you like so much about it?
I dispise vacuuming and sweeping and I have 2 canines, so there’s a lot of fur and grime on the floor that needs regular tending to. I bought the roomba model that is self charging and self emptying, so you can just let it run in a set it and forget it fashion.
Alternatively, it also actually helps motivate me to do other chores as well. I have to pick up everything off the floor before running the vac, and at that point I just start tidying up other things while letting it run.
Oh OK cool I didn't realize they had self cleaning ones now. That does sound really convenient for hairy dogs
Mine also mops, refills the mop water and soap, washes it's own mop, and drains the dirty water down the drain.
I hate lugging around that heavy noisy thing, and I don't have pets. I'm a bit shocked at how much hair two humans drop in a week. The robovac runs twice a week and I empty it once a week, and it keeps the more open/obvious spaces looking pretty pristine. Dust on a shiny floor really shows. There are places where it cannot go and those need to be done by me, but they're less visible areas so no need for frequent vacuuming.
The good news with iRobot is that they actually have pretty solid cybersecurity. They also do a pretty great job of supporting parts for old robots and make them quite easy to repair. For a typical consumer product, I feel like they're far better than most companies in terms of how shitty they could be vs how shitty they actually are.
I’d like some of them to connect to my local network, but not the Internet. I’ll work it out myself from there onwards and make some remote control solution myself, thank you.
I don't disagree, but I think automation is cool, especially if you can keep it local (or have the tools to secure it on the internet). Valetudo can help make that possible. My current robot vacuum is pretty crappy, but it doesn't have cameras or mapping. My next will be one that has mapping and can be easily flashed with local hosting.
Flashing a dreame L10s was difficult but worth it. I'd recommend it if you have the expertise. I did end up having to buy a USB breakout board from eBay, though.
I have just enough skill with hardware to get away with it with some swearing.
hackers can take over control of vacuum and lawn mower robots made by Ecovacs to spy on their owners using the devices’ cameras and microphones
Honestly, did anyone believe that this wouldn't happen, sooner or later?
When I bought me such a device, I made sure that I would be able to install a cloud-free firmware on it. First thing. Before I wanted to use it at all.
What did you end up using?
Dreame D10S Plus with Valetudo.
Commanding it from Home Assistant.
As a note, Dennis Giese —who is the co-author of the Defcon talk mentioned in the article— is also the author of Dustcloud, which is used as the basis of Valetudo. Though I'm not aware that Valetudo will ever support Ecovacs robots.
It might now.
AFAIK Hypfer (Valetudo maintainer) has no intention to support robots other than Dreame
You had better read their list of supported devices instead of saying such a ....
This is incredible. I mean it's dystopian and bad... But it's also cyberpunk as fuck.
cyberpunk is supposed to be dystopian...
Ecovacs app is garbage and has not improved much in years so this doesn’t surprise me.
For some robtos there seems to be a self hosted version of the servers available. Though I haven't found the actual installation guide yet.
Good to know.
But does it disable these current security holes?
I can't tell for sure, but IMO it's pretty secure when you can block internet access for the robots as a whole.
Well, they refuse to work... :)
and no, maybe it is not secure even then, since the current attack goes by bluetooth
There's S in IOT that stands for security