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[–] rockkicker@kbin.run 97 points 3 months ago (2 children)

do these absolute buffoons not know how important my crude portfolio is?

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 3 months ago

This planet needs to work on respecting your money more! Can't these stupid rainforests stop dying?

[–] d00phy@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Right!? I mean there’s still money to be made, FFS!

[–] aaaaace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 69 points 3 months ago (1 children)

We're in a hostage situation, and the captors own the government.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Meh. I respectfully disagree. This is the system we designed. It's working exactly as intended. What we need is a sea change. The system is broken and that's evident everywhere. The path we are on doesn't work. The only way to course correct is for everyone to get on the same page and as is witnessed during the yearly COP meetings clearly the rich nations don't fully care about the poor countries. Things are changing but dreadfully slow.

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 3 months ago

We, as in the people living now, did not design it, we are stuck with the designs of forefathers upon forefathers that had a few centuries to bake in profit above people. Before the American government, the British government did it. Other governments mimic the Big Guys. Governments are designed by the rich and powerful to minimize the power of the individual, especially in America. Keep the citizens too busy, too overworked, too sick, too poor, too homeless, too much lead in the water, too many PFAS, too much fracking pollution in the air. They just pay lip service to freedom and keep education levels low enough so people are either unaware or infinitely feeling helpless.

Look at the water shortages looming in western US. The Department of Reclamation run by a bunch of Mormons that thought it was their God-given right to terraform the US made some overly optimistic measurements at the beginning of the 20th century and ran amok building dams and changing water routes all across the west. That led to building entire cities in places that should not have cities (Phoenix, AZ; Los Angeles, CA; Las Vegas, NV, etc.) and now those cities are "too big to fail" slurping up all the water they can from places very far away. LA has an entire nuclear facility powering water pumps to push water over a mountain range to feed some of it. The agricultural West and midwest (Midwest: NE, KS, etc.) all relied on these river sources as well as giant underground aquifers. The water was always finite, but the US government sold it cheap to push farming and agriculture into the west and away from the south where water was more plentiful. Now it's running out.

This isn't even getting into the problems faced by the poorer nations you mentioned above, resources will become spread so thin, looming water wars and other conflicts on the horizon that will start out so civil at their beginning. Those nations at the equator will be on their own to survive, with mass-migration towards the poles being the only real solution for those that survive.

We (now-humans) are stuck having to mitigate the worst of the damage for humanity and many species to continue to survive, and attempt to roll back all these arrogant asinine greedy decisions in the hope that the near-future will be at least semi-habitable.

Earth will be fine, it'll rebuild and reset and grow some new beings. Trying to guilt people for things they didn't do and have little control over is not a good motivator when faced with major extinction.

[–] WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 68 points 3 months ago (2 children)

if we exceed the 1.5°C warming target set by the Paris Agreement.

Pretty sure previous studies have already confirmed we're already blowing past 2°C even if we stopped producing CO2 today.

Not to be too doomer about it but we're already too late to prevent centuries of damage. What we can do now is try and keep the ecosystem from becoming completely uninhabitable.

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 3 months ago

I'm just hoping to be able to travel a little bit and see the world before there's nothing left.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Not to be pedantic, but the target is a ten year trailing average. It’s a crime that we’ve likely hit it for a year or two already, and that shows how urgent the problem is but we’ve still got 5 years or so

Even worse carbon emissions haven’t yet peaked, much less started dropping, and way less quickly than they need to drop

[–] WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 months ago

That's not really how that works. The 2°C increase is a prediction of how average temperatures will increase based on already existing carbon in the atmosphere.

If we stop emitting today, the average temperature will still increase beyond 2°C and stay there unless there's another force actively removing the CO2 from the atmosphere.

This isn't "if we stop emitting today, we'll peak at 2°C increase and then it'll go back down" the 2°C prediction is a permanent increase to the average temperature.

The damage is done. Millions will likely die regardless of how much carbon we put out from this point forward. The fight now is to decrease the people that will die beyond that number.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Those extra years don't mean anything though. It's the target that matters. Just because 10 years was predicted doesn't mean we can do whatever we want in this 10 years as long as it fixed right before that mark.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

10 year average was the target definition. Not only does this not mean we can sit on our asses, but it also does NOT mean we have nine lives left

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[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 56 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

If you still have hope that humanity will stop destroying (the human habitability of) our only habitat in the name of short-term private profit for humanity's most prolific sociopaths, at least share the kind of drugs you're on.

"LINE MUST GO UP!"

-Homo Sapien, ~200,000 BCE - ~2100 AD

[–] mjhelto@lemm.ee 37 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Accelerationists gotta accelerate, I guess. For the longest time it baffled me as to why anyone with intelligence would knowing act to destroy the planet and, with it, society. Then I learned about this shit called accelerationism and it all starts to make sense.

We ARE in a hostage situation like someone commented, except we're on a bus, speeding toward a cliff, and the rich elite refuse to take their foot off the pedal. They think they're going to come out of societal collapse alive and poised to shape whatever comes next however they want. It's literally the game of Monopoly with that fucking speed die version...

[–] SyntaxTerror@feddit.org 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

That sounds like Vault-Tec level evil to me.

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[–] CyberDine@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Jokes on them, the earth can stay a boiling lava pit for longer than they can stay in their bunkers.

Also, good luck trying to have people service and maintain your bunker system as you dictate their lives without any of them just trying to kill you.

It would be so much easier to just admit they have to work with the poors to keep the earth alive so everyone can live than just wipe out humanity and think they can outlast it

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[–] thisorthatorwhatever@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

rich

It's not about the rich. No one cares, except for a small handful of people. The vast majority of people want to fly away on vacation, own a large home, have a crappy grass lawn, eat meat everyday. They see environmentalism as some sort of odd lifestyle. If you make a law that says they can't use gas lawn mowers, they'll scream and go bat shit insane, call you the devil. They are relentless in wanting to pave over anything living.

[–] gwen@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 3 months ago (2 children)

me when i destroy the planet to get just 1 more green piece of paper that means jack shit in the grand scheme of things

genuinely think money is an addiction to these big oil fucks

[–] Evil_incarnate@lemm.ee 4 points 3 months ago

It's a way of keeping score. They don't care where the money comes from any more, just that they have more than some other guy.

People who care about people generally don't get rich, because they are kind and helpful people and will spend money on others.

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[–] Dramaking37@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago (5 children)

"Sorry, I'm freeing Palestine this election by posting on Instagram about it and not voting"

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[–] wildncrazyguy138@fedia.io 24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Ok, so I am all about working to resolve climate change, very active in the movement even.

But gosh golly gee, can we talk about that particular websites UI for a moment? I do not need a roll ad every 3 seconds. And I really do not need to know that one weird trick on how to get rats to like me.

Again, all for the climate. I’m saying this as I just walked 45 minutes to go grab my lunch. Totally on board with more buses and trains. Big advocate of a Citizens Climate Lobby. Doing my part, hope you do too.

Keep the rats the f away from me!

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 3 months ago

The more data processing your computer does, and the more information served from elsewhere, the worse the use of electricity, and therefore the carbon footprint.

It's all a little extra press on the scales in order to ensure things end just that little bit quicker.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/article/2024/aug/09/excess-memes-photos-and-reply-all-emails-are-bad-for-climate-finds-study

[–] openrain502r@sh.itjust.works 23 points 3 months ago

Companies and billionaires when the only thing they care about are multicoloured laminated pieces of paper that basically mean nothing once someone's wealth is high enough:

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

One can only hope actual intelligence rises from the ashes of the failed experiment of humanity.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That’s what we said last time.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You some sort of ancient sentient dinosaur or something?

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Not that anyone knows, no.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago

As conservatives cheer.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

I've been doing my best, but we need to be investing money as a society into it.

[–] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I know right? The faster shit gets really really bad, the faster people will (hopefully) start building homemade guillotines.

[–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 months ago

Personally I'd prefer any way that doesn't shovel the less abled and less privileged into the Accelerationism Machine as fuel.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 months ago (5 children)

We have to hope things get better, because no matter how bad things get, they can always get worse. People will see things getting worse as evidence that it hasn't gotten worse enough. The idea that there is some point where it can get bad enough to spur positive change is false. The positive change that has happened in society originates from people wanting things to get better.

We have to convince people to want things to get better, by showing them it can be better. Too many people are worried about losing the little they have. People have to see we can all be living more complete lives without harming the planet.

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[–] Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago (2 children)

My neighbor is blasting Tool and singing along, poorly. Let's go ahead and collapse this already. I'm tired.

[–] Hackworth@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

One great big festering neon distraction

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

I've a suggestion to keep you all occupied

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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Well since there's nothing I can do then I guess it's time to kick back and wait for the end of humanity. We had a good run.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You can and you should (and you probably already do).

Kick back and know that you're doing something, whatever it is.

[–] umulu@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Nicely said.

And even if we could do a bit more, why should we make more sacrifices, when big corporations are accountable for much of the environment's issues?

[–] Teppichbrand@feddit.org 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Why would a couple of fossile destroyers change their very lucrative business-model if millions of first world citizens are just as cheap, greedy and irresponsible as well? I'm pretty sure a lot of us would act very much like them, if we were put in their places. It's so easy to point fingers at the billionaires. As long as they don't change, why should I?! To be a better person, that's why! Fuck those psychopaths, stop consuming!

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