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Mozilla has a close relationship with Google, as most of Firefox's revenue comes from the agreement keeping Google as the browser's default search engine. However, the search giant is now officially a monopoly, and a future court decision could have an unprecedented impact on Mozilla's ability to keep things "business as usual."

United States District Judge Amit Mehta found Google guilty of building a monopolistic position in web search. The Mountain View corporation spent billions of dollars becoming the leading search provider for computing platforms and web browsers on PC and mobile devices.

Most of the $21 billion spent went to Apple in exchange for setting Google as the default search engine on iPhone, iPad, and Mac systems. The judge will now need to decide on a penalty for the company's actions, including the potential of forcing Google to stop payments to its search "partners completely," which could have dire consequences for smaller companies like Mozilla.

Its most recent financials show Mozilla gets $510 million out of its $593 million in total revenue from its Google partnership. This precarious financial position is a side effect of its deal with Alphabet, which made Google the search engine default for newer Firefox installations.

The open-source web browser has experienced a steady market share decline over the past few years. Meanwhile, Mozilla management was paid millions to develop a new "vision" of a theoretical future with AI chatbots. Mozilla Corporation, the wholly owned subsidiary of Mozilla Foundation managing Firefox development, could find itself in a severe struggle for revenue if Google's money suddenly dried up.

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[–] FeelThePower@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 months ago

situational irony

[–] Affidavit@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I wonder how much of their income actually goes towards development. At a glance, it seems a great deal of unnecessary administrative bloat has been added to Mozilla.

I honestly don't see why a browser company needs to be so large (>700 employees).

Not that I want people to lose their jobs, it just seems unnecessary.

[–] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

There's a reason why every other browser maker has given up and adopted Chromium. It's not easy to support a browser and rendering engine across half a dozen OSes while keeping it secure, performant and stable.

[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Well, a browser is a massive piece of software, especially if you include the development of a render engine as Firefox does

Web standards evolve constantly, you need to keep up somehow, together with optimizations, bug fixing, patching of security vulnerabilities, etc

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[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Mozilla is not a browser producer, it's a general internet charity that earns money by producing a browser. Most of their income goes to charity and reserves of which they have about 1bn -- roughly four times as much as wikipedia just for a sense of scale, wikipedia doesn't do any business deals to get at cash but instead does annoying donation drives.

They could scale down significantly while still keeping firefox development ongoing, they probably wouldn't have much issue finding enough donations to fund development, but the strategy seems to be building reserves and diversify commercial income, things like the revenue share they get from pocket for sending people to ad-ridden pages.

When you're currently donating to Mozilla you're not donating towards Firefox: Mozilla-the-company can't receive funds from Mozilla-the-foundation, those donations are going to charity work.


And, to make this clear: None of this is a grand revelation, or new, or outrageous, it's basically always been like that and it's always been a perfectly proper way to run a charity. Most of the recent pushbacks comes from people hating that Mozilla funds stuff like getting women into STEM, being outraged that the wider Mozilla community is not keen on having a CEO which opposes gay marriage (very staunchly so), etc.

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[–] zecg@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I use only Firefox / Fennec, but fuck Mozilla. The obscene amounts they paid their CEO for stupid decisions, their shitty Pocket acquisition, regressions such as saving page as pdf simply disappearing on mobile. Let that rotten corporation die, the code is open source, someone will do a Gecko browser.

[–] Supermariofan67@programming.dev 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don't think it's quite as simple as someone just forking it. Realistically, a browser is an extremely complex piece of software that requires a lot of organizational effort to maintain, deal with security issues, etc. Pretty much every other piece of software on a similar scale I can think of (the kernel, KDE, Blender, Libreoffice) has some sort of organization behind it with at least some amount of officially paid work. All the major forks of Firefox or chromium follow quite closely to upstream for this reason (which is also why I'm skeptical of Brave's ability to maintain manifest v2 long term, despite their probably genuine best efforts to do so).

I do wish that Firefox were developed and funded by an organization specifically dedicated to developing it. This could of course happen if Mozilla dies. But that's going to require someone starting it, which is not at all a small or cheap task.

I could also see a future where Oracle or IBM buys it 😂🤡

[–] Tja@programming.dev 0 points 3 months ago

Firefox enterprise edition, now with Lotus integration!

[–] erwan@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago

Good, Baker can go find an other x millions salary elsewhere because it's necessary for her family (as she said in an interview), and Firefox can become a community project again that still pays salary to actual developers but without the expensive bullshitting C-suite.

[–] SamB@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It’s strange how the Internet has been flooded by this news. Like leave Google alone or Firefox gets it. Very strategic use of the media might I say.

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

This article doesn't even bother to explain the connection. I don't get it if I'm honest.

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[–] yuki2501@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

It's a threat to the Mozilla CORPORATION, not the Mozilla Foundation nor the browser.

Nothing to be really scared about. Move along.

[–] bloup@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

why do you think the Mozilla corporation losing 86% of their revenue wouldn’t hurt the Firefox browser?

[–] Tja@programming.dev 0 points 3 months ago

There was a well sourced video a few months ago that showed where the money is going. Long story short, not into development, for the most part.

[–] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago

Well, only way I can figure it wouldn't effect the foundation, is that the corporation is a wholly owned subsidiary of the foundation, presumably this is to protect the foundation financially and legally from anything that might happen to the corporation.

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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Good. Open source that shit.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm not sure what you mean, Firefox is already open source?

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[–] bighi@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Mozilla gotta do something.

And based on their actions on recent years, that something is probably going to be: 1) firing more developers, and 2) increasing the compensation of their CEO.

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'll add:

  1. Buying some random companies
[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)
  1. Change the UI and mess with plugins.
  2. More bloat in the install package that should be optional plugins.
[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)
  1. Offer advertisers user data.
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[–] LouNeko@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (7 children)

I would stand behind the idea of splitting Google in it's seperate branches with no shared assets. Basically Google search becomes is seperate corporation, Google AI, Google Webservices, Google Ad Services, YouTube. etc.. This will hopefully undo some of the webs enshitification since now the essentially most powerful company on the web has to actually offer good product for profit instead of compensating bad product with more profitable one.

[–] BrightCandle@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

That doesn't produce any practical competition however. Some vertical splitting of the search business seems reasonable so we end up with multiple companies doing search out of it.

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[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 months ago (6 children)

if you only do a monthly donation of $5 a month that's still $60 a year and i urge you do do it. i have a recurring donation for firefox, thunderbird, and wikipedia because i believe they're essential to the internet.

[–] 800XL@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

don't forget archive.org!

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