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  • Home routing and encryption technologies are making lawful interception harder for Europol
  • PET-enabled home routing allows for secure communication, hindering law enforcement's ability to intercept and monitor communications
  • Europol suggests solutions such as disabling PET technologies and implementing cross-border interception standards to address the issue.
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[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We should give them universal admin privileges.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

checks username

Well this seems like a guy I can trust!

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

man, I do my homelab for hobby and better performance. this is bonus.

disclaimer: didn't read the article past the paywall fade out. and I'm too lazy to circumvent

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Home routing in this case refers to IP tunneling when roaming.

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago

you mean like ipsec or vpn? I have been playing with that too for connecting my brother's computers to my self host services.

[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] ulkesh@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Came here to pose exactly this. While I support proper and ethical law enforcement, the Snowden leak clearly showed just how unethical my own government is willing to be to enforce laws. So whatever tools I have at my disposal to prevent unlawful search and seizure, I will use them.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

tents fingers

[–] Vaggumon@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago

Oh no.... Anyway

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Tough. Shit.

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It's almost as if police need to get a warrant to wiretap people, and can't just do illegal wiretaps on unencrypted data. I can see why the EU may want to consider implementing processes for cross-border wiretaps, though.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Oh my! Encryption makes it harder to snoop uninvited into things that should not concern them in the first place! Shocking!

[–] Drusas@kbin.run 0 points 4 months ago
[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

That's going to be a recurring theme. Law enforcement starts scanning one thing, businesses, criminals and citizens start using something else. They'll have to forbid everything that's not open, but by then legal businesses stop using the net because all their secrets get stolen.

[–] DirigibleProtein@aussie.zone 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

One of these guys went on to be a very wholesome beloved actor.

And the other........I assume is still alive.

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[–] doctortofu@reddthat.com 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Warning: non-transparent walls, window blinds and door locks prevent lawful interception and surveillance - how are the authorities supposed to know you're not doing something naughty in there?

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 0 points 4 months ago

how are the authorities supposed to know you’re not doing something naughty in there?

Humans are actually supposed to do naughty things. Otherwise they'd be worried about demography

[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Clothing hides weapons! So do fat folds. Kill all the fat people and go naked for a crime free world in the new authoritarian bridge between Nazis and Stalinists for a wonderful Europe.

[–] Vorticity@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

There are places a skinny naked person can hide things. What do we do about that?

[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Kill them all. If your butt cheeks touch in the middle you get the antisemitic/Palestinian treatment. Would you like to die by rocket, bomb, on the hood of a car, as a joke, career suicide, anonymous mass grave, student failure with no future, self emulation, militant untrained police, starvation, Kremlin backed Right faction first world extremist regime mob of fucktards, or randomly one of the above? Heil Europe!

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 0 points 4 months ago

I think they meant inside

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Mandatory random cavity searches.

It's the only way to keep society safe!

[–] hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (6 children)

lawful interception

Idk bout that. Usually you get a warrant for wiretapping and then you pay someone to install it. If they are trying to break encryption or identifying users, that means they inherently are doing something the law does not favor.

Let's also acknowledge that if encryption is bad because it cannot be broken, that means encryption is pretty good at what it should do.

Breaking encryption is never something you do for the right reasons.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Breaking encryption is never something you do for the right reasons.

DeCSS.

[–] KISSmyOS@feddit.org 0 points 4 months ago

If they are trying to break encryption or identifying users, that means they inherently are doing something the law does not favor.

They've been trying to change that law multiple times for over a decade.

[–] Bell@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Breaking encryption is never something you do for the right reasons.

Uhhh ransomware?

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I read this the other day.. the issue they face is on the warrant side, cross border investigations have a 120 day lead time. So instead of actually integrating police and making sure time sensitive investigations get treated as such... They whine about PET.

EuroPol seems to be something like the FBI.. who operate across all US states. But in the EU the countries are still very separate and require such ridiculous things as proof and due process. And that's fine... It just needs to be sped up.

[–] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Europol is merely a clearing house, standards process and coordinating agency for how national police forces work together across the EU states. It has very, very little power. Unfortunately.

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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 0 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Cool let's add a backdoor to all routers and gateways, no way it would be exploited by our enemies

[–] sic_semper_tyrannis@lemmy.today 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Or exploited by the government

[–] BlueEther@no.lastname.nz 0 points 4 months ago

I think post above may have that one covered off already

[–] nobleshift@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago
[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Yeah. He said "our enemies". We're saying the same thing.

[–] Potatisen@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Look at the phrasing too, they say it like they have the right to see our information and we're (the citizens) breaking that untold social safety contract.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Transparency should go both ways, no encryption for the people, no encryption for the government z it's only fair.

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I think the ideal government has to be as transparent as possible so that the common people can control their government effectively.

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[–] 0x0@programming.dev 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] jet@hackertalks.com 0 points 4 months ago

This time deliberate!

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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 0 points 4 months ago

Good, privacy is why they are being used. The government has plenty of legal ways to invade a person's privacy, perhaps they should consider using them.

[–] blahsay@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Good. 'Lawful' interception is total nonsense. They'd have a camera up everyone's ass if they could.

As it is our TVs bloody listen to us....1984 is here.

[–] febra@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Good! The government has no business in peoples' homes.

[–] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)

PET? Not the bottle i guess.

[–] justsomeguy@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Privacy Enhancing Technologies. A blanket term for anything protecting your identity (Onion, VPN, etc.) I feel like the people asking for this either have a very limited technical understanding of it or completely different motives. You can't ban encryption. What they could do is ban VPN services from officially operating or certain protocols but that would mostly hit your regular user.

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[–] Morphit@feddit.uk 0 points 4 months ago

Privacy Enhancing Technologies. Some obvious things giving anonymity and plausible deniability but also zero-knowledge proofs and such.

[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 0 points 4 months ago

PET technologies = Privacy Enhancing Technologies technologies

[–] magic_smoke@links.hackliberty.org 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

My main man, you deserve the wall for even attempting that shit, now you're gonna complain we're making it hard?

[–] 0x0@programming.dev 0 points 4 months ago

Think of the children!

[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 0 points 4 months ago

I fixed the bulleted.

  • Home routing and encryption technologies are making ~~lawful interception~~ spying on innocent civilians harder for Europol

  • PET-enabled home routing allows for secure communication, ~~hindering~~ preventing law enforcement’s ability to intercept and ~~monitor~~ spy on the communications of innocent civilians

  • Europol suggests solutions such as disabling PET technologies and implementing cross-border interception standards to address the issue of Europol not knowing how to do their jobs without resorting to Orwellian dystopian techniques

  • PET technologies does exactly what it's intended to do--protect the innocent civilian from the prying eyes of the not innocent bodies that are hellbent on eroding privacy and security

[–] Neon@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

I get that that’s bad and that shouldn’t be.

But there just have been too many cases of unlawful interception (NSA and Criminal). So I personally don’t think we should move back away from encryption

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