France, Germany, The U.K. and Turkey would then become the defacto " great" powers of Europe and the whole balance of power in the E.U. would be thrown off.

Not likely to happen for the time being, but if Trump somehow manages to get elected again the Europeans would be wise to consider their alternative options.

[+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee -24 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Trump just wanted everyone to spend more on the military. He wasn’t a threat to nato.

Everyone laughed at him. He gave Ukraine javelin missiles. Obama would not give weapons.

Yet, he turned out to be right. The javelins helped Ukraine immensely. Now Europe is spending more as Russia is on their doorstep.

The only good news so far russia ain’t the capable military they use to be.

I’ve pondered when Putin goes away (he will at someone as we all do) will the next guy be worse or better.

[–] AnarchoDakosaurus@toast.ooo 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Trump just wanted everyone to spend more on the military. He wasn’t a threat to nato.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/04/bolton-says-trump-might-have-pulled-us-out-nato-if-he-had-been-reelected/

I’ve pondered when Putin goes away (he will at someone as we all do) will the next guy be worse or better.

The good go young. Putin will probably live to 100 like the bastard Kissinger if he's not killed or removed from presidency.

Anyways I would not recommend the assumption that the American right will not try and pull out of NATO. Being anti NATO is now a cornerstone for far right populist's in the West.

And of course, Russia cannot do all that much to NATO in its current from, but Putin was betting on the U.S. weakening NATO so he could take the baltics and force NATO into an institutional crisis. He just got unlucky that Trump fucked up so badly he couldn't get a second term, even with trying to steal the election.

[+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee -8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bolton is an idiot. Yes Trump may if the other countries had net met their 2% goal. As an American I’d support pulling out nato if others don’t want to share the burden. If they had met their obligation, not Trump would not have pulled out of nato.

I’m right. I’m just not far right and we have few politicians who are. Most of them have little to no power anyways.

Putin also didn’t realize how bad his army was and how effective the javelin is or how hard the Ukrainians would fight.

I doubt Trump understood how good of a missile it was. He prob thought it was a real javelin.

[–] AnarchoDakosaurus@toast.ooo 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bolton is an idiot.

Ok, and he still represents the warhawk/neocon type of thought in Washington.

How stupid you think he is doesn't really change how Trump already had his mind made up on leaving NATO. I'm no fan of NATO, I think it will collapse eventually. Trump just further cracked an already strained relationship.

I’m right. I’m just not far right and we have few politicians who are. Most of them have little to no power anyways.

Seems like Gaetz just got your speak of house pruned didn't he?

Its not like you have to be particularly far right to support Russia/ oppose arming Ukraine. " centrists " and Warhawks aside there isint too many vocal right wing voices supporting Ukraine.

Putin also didn’t realize how bad his army was and how effective the javelin is or how hard the Ukrainians would fight.

That situation would have been very different if Trump was in charge of the U.S.A when Russia rolled across the border.

He would have cut a deal with Russia at the expense of Ukranian territory like he did in Syria cutting a deal with Turkey.

The Russian's nearly captured Mykolaiv. Had the Ukranian's not received continued stinger and Jav support + other early equipment the situation could have been different. I don't like playing the alternative history game but I disagree with your assessment of Trump fully.

He would not have played his cards like the Biden admin did.

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