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What can we do to re-shape society for the better? (lemmy.ml)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by testman@lemmy.ml to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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If top of the society is immoral psychopaths with power, and most of the society is composed of people with good intentions, then there is not much hope for "beta uprising" until things go way beyond point of recovery, because powerful psychopaths will not let their power get taken away.

Not sure if this is just evolutionary biology, but this cycle of psychopaths at the top has been going on since when, at least ancient Egypt. And in all these thousands of years, the system that enables this cycle got way more reinforced than it got dismantled.

So is it maybe better idea to put benevolent people's energy towards designing and preparing a new societal system that will have built-in mechanisms for preventing corruption and malevolence? "prepare" as in get ready to implement for when the current messed up system is about to grind to a halt and collapse? Well, it would be best to figure out how to go full Benevolent Theseus™ by replacing parts of currently failing system with the corruption-proof ones.

What are some resources related to this topic? Recearch on societal dynamics, designing political systems, examples of similar revolutions that already happened, etc. Post any links that you consider relevant

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[–] kaj@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How do you plan to destroy the meat industry without anyone going vegan? You realize the meat industry is funded by non-vegans, right? And tax payers, of course, who also eat meat and won't support policy that challenges their freedom.

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Destroying the meat industry isn't going to have the beneficial impact you think it will.

Most of the food we grow we can't eat, most of the farmland we use exclusively to support livestock isn't suitable for anything else. These animals are eating food that is otherwise biological waste that will simply decay and contribute to carbon emissions.

I'm not saying there isn't room for improvement, I am saying elimination isn't improvement, it only creates more problems.

This sets aside the problems created by eliminating animal fat and protein from our collective diet, which causes a health and nutrition problem on top of a pretty significant caloric deficit that again, we don't necessarily have the agricultural land to replace.

If being vegan is your jam then more power to you, but it isn't the answer for society's problems.

[–] kaj@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

While animals can eat waste from crops grown for humans, that's a minority of their feed. Almost all new corn and soy cropland is cut to meet growing animal agriculture demand.

How does eliminating animal fat and protein cause health and nutrition problems? Humans are perfectly capable of living on vegan diets at all stages of life.