“People think, increasingly it appears, that we shouldn’t be doing this. Well, let me start by saying we haven’t lost a single American in this war,” McConnell said. “Most of the money that we spend related to Ukraine is actually spent in the US, replenishing weapons, more modern weapons. So it’s actually employing people here and improving our own military for what may lie ahead.”

cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/4085063

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[–] ExLisper@linux.community 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, I guess your right, it's better to be in Georgia... for now. Because what makes you think that if Russia didn't get stuck in Ukraine they wouldn't invade Georgia next? And then Moldova? Did you really buy the "they want to join NATO excuse?". And by your logic during WWII USA should just give up imminently and hand over Hawaii to Japan, right? And England should also just give up. After all it's better to live under fascist regime than fight a war. The so called "French way". That's one way to look at it. Another way is to say that the less people live in fascist regimes the better, even if takes fighting a war to free them.

[–] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because what makes you think that if Russia didn’t get stuck in Ukraine they wouldn’t invade Georgia next? And then Moldova?

What makes me think that is that Russia has tried multiple times to solve the conflict in Donbas diplomatically, and that they didn't want to annex it in the Minsk agreements. Can you libs do anything but make inappropriate WW2 comparisons?

You do realize that the Ukrainian president does photo ops hugging Neo-Nazis, and that these guys are free to operate and have state backing? Ukraine even gave Russian Neo-Nazis a bunch of Bradleys and told them to attack into Russia proper. Ukrainians right now are living under a fascist regime, one that openly celebrated Nazi collaborating mass murderers.

I can already hear you say "those are not a majority". Well why does that matter if it's official state policy to promote, fund and arm those fuckers?

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So Ukraine is using a Neo-Nazi group to help them defend their independence while Russia has an actual Nazi army that's murdering civilians and a leader that is an actual Nazi that murders and jails his opponents. Yeah, I think I will still support Ukraine, thanks.

[–] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If Putin is such a Nazi, where's the ethnonationalism? You do know that Nazis believe in racial supremacy?

The regime in Kiev also jails and murders their opponents, and how is that relevant to whether Putin is a Nazi? The Nazis weren't the only ones who did that.

You're removing all meaning from the word Nazi if you call Putin one. He doesn't believe the same shit as the Nazis, and he hasn't done any crimes as heinous as the Nazis'.

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Starting a war in Ukraine is a crime as heinous as the ones Nazis did. And Putin a dictator a heinous as they get. I would also rather go to war they condemn my country to being part of the shitty Russian empire that can't offer it's citizens anything besides corruption, poverty, suffering and total disregard of their rights.

[–] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, I tried. You'd rather downplay Nazi mass murder then back down, do you? Get fucked.

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm absolutely not downplaying the war in Ukraine.

[–] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No you're not. You are comparing this conflict with one of the worst campaigns of genocide in human history. You're up-playing it.

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, I'm just saying what it really is: a underdeveloped, brutal dictatorship attacking democratic country in order to murder innocent civilians and commit countless war crimes while threatening the entire world with hunger and nuclear genocide. But I guess for you it's not so bad and we should just look the other way.

[–] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

in order to murder innocent civilians and commit countless war crimes

You think they do this "in order to murder innocent civilians"? Like this is the end goal? They just love murdering so much. And you base your political opinions on this genius analysis?

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 2 points 1 year ago

What? You think they cry at night after all the murdering they do every day? They really hate it but just have to kill those damned civilians because otherwise Ukraine will join NATO? How many train stations and supermarkets do they have to bomb to stop Ukraine from joining it? Of course they started the war in order to kill people. Is this really a surprise for you?