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WASHINGTON, Nov 17 (Reuters) - President Joe Biden's administration will allow Ukraine to use U.S.-provided weapons to strike deep into Russian territory, three sources familiar with the matter said, in a significant change to Washington's policy in the Ukraine-Russia conflict.

Ukraine plans to conduct its first long-range attacks in the coming days, the sources said, without revealing details due to operational security concerns.

The move by the United States two months before President-elect Donald Trump takes office on Jan. 20 follows months of requests by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy to allow Ukraine's military to use U.S. weapons to hit Russian military targets far from its border.

The change follows Russia's deployment of North Korean ground troops to supplement its own forces, a development that has caused alarm in Washington and Kyiv.

The first deep strikes are likely to be carried out using ATACMS rockets, which have a range of up to 190 miles (306 km), according to the sources.

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[–] shapesandstuff@feddit.org 3 points 5 days ago (8 children)

Righty, we're playign a game of semantics not content. Got it.
I wrote

totally reasonable in his target choices?

Any further specific claims came from you.

Further:

There’s of course a bunch of civilian massacres still under active investigation, plus a lot of varying numbers between UA officials and independent reports.

me acknowledging the unclear nature of war-time reports.
Again, the rest is you projecting a slightly different argument onto my words to give yourself an easier time filing me away as a "propaganda victim" or whatever.

First of all this statistic is of the total reports of civilian deaths on both sides in the war, this already shows you are terrible at reading

If I were to argue like you do, I'd now go off about how you claim ALL civilian casualties died at Ukrainian hands.
I don't do that though, instead I'd ask you to provide the detailed breakdown you seem to have you hands on.

You seem to also have missed this:

The figures exclude Crimea and Sevastopol due to the lack of corroborating information.

Meaning, your alleged genocide is not in this dataset.

And lastly, you're still not providing literally anything of substance yourself. You only tactic is discredit any potential source and ignore the ones you don't wanna engage with in advance so you can later claim "no that one doesn't count, I already said it's propaganda" while the only thing you're currently leaning on is an opinion piece from a heavily biased borderline conspiracy rag.

Either you engage with what I'm writing and work with the people you're talking to, or you keep arguing in bad faith. If you pick the latter, feel free, go off king, i'm not interested.

[–] griefstricken@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Also, I am convinced you are just stupid at this point. Crimea not being in the dataset doesn't refute a single thing I said. You're completely incoherent in every comment.

[–] shapesandstuff@feddit.org 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Ah must've been the ukrainians killing civillians on Ukrainian ground then DROP YOUR SOURCE.

[–] griefstricken@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago

Actually I want to ramp this up. Give me one example of a massacre on Ukrainian soil committed by the Russians. If you want to use Bucha I have plenty of material about that which was written by a guy I know in Oregon. But I would prefer to give you yet another opportunity to show you have a single non US propaganda source.

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