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[–] uniquethrowagay@feddit.org 16 points 6 days ago (30 children)

Storage is a solvable problem. Whereas we don't have the resources to power the world with nuclear plants.

[–] iii@mander.xyz 22 points 6 days ago (27 children)

Storage is a solvable problem

I'm not convinced it is. Storage technologies exist for sure, but the general public seems to grossly underestimate the scale of storage required to match grid demand and renewables only production.

[–] Teppichbrand@feddit.org 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

Again: This is just the beginning! We're like ~~five years into~~ at the beginning of an energy revolution and you are drumming against it because you're "not convinced", rooting for stuff we already discarded because it's uncontrollable and will poison our planet for centuries. Get out of the way, boomer!

Germany has over 400 MW of solar-plus-storage projects under development, with notable installations like a 100 MW/200 MWh battery system in Bavaria. This is way more than even the green minister of economic affairs set as a goal for 2045. California leads globally with 6,600 MW of battery storage already operational and an additional 1,900 MW expected by year-end, totaling 8,500 MW. By 2045, California aims to expand its capacity to 52,000 MW. Australia is also scaling rapidly, with around 9 GW of utility-scale battery projects underway or completed. Soon EV batteries get to feed energy back into the grid, we're becoming one huge decentralized batterie mosaic. It's gonna be beautiful!

[–] iii@mander.xyz 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

We're like five years into an energy revolution

Exactly, after working on it for over 30.

It seems like theyre not even planning on going fossil free.

That quote, again, not mentioning stored energy. How do they not understand that storage needs to be specified in both power and energy?

[–] Teppichbrand@feddit.org 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

The fossil industry, which earns 1 billion dollars a day since the 1970s, won't go down without a fight. They are very powerful, able to start wars and overthrow governments. These fossil destroyers know they are dying, but they will fight back to make money as long as possible. The best we can do is drain their business model by going renewable, and fast. Nuclear is not an option anymore, they know that as well, it's already way too expensive. But they use it anyway to buy some time. Making more money while we are debating instead of building renewables and batteries like our lives depend on it.
I always imagine Henry Ford after building his first cars. People would laugh at him: "And how do we fuel these?! You want to pave every road and build a web of gas stations all over or country? You are insane!"

[–] iii@mander.xyz 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

it's already way too expensive.

If you don't account for the storage problem, renewables look like a cheap solution, indeed. And you end up with renewables + huge reliance on fossil fuel.

This is an ideal scenario for the fossil industry.

[–] Teppichbrand@feddit.org 1 points 4 days ago

But storage is getting cheaper and cheaper as we move further into renewables. The storage problem is not unfixable, it's being solved just like the gas station and road paving problem was solved during the automobile revolution. The beginning of something is always messy, problems and mistakes happen. But we are a clever species and we are working on it. Fuck these men who want to keep burning our planet, I won't be discouraged.

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