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The only previous red line Russia actually outlined was Ukraine joining NATO, and when that line was crossed the war started. All these other "red lines" were made up by western propagandists and don't actually come from Russia.
Ukraine joined nato?
Ukraine had NATO personnel and weapons in it since 2014, and NATO countries declared that Ukraine would get a formal invitation. That's what led to the war as Stoltenberg has now publicly acknowledged.
Either reality has a well-known tankie bias or Stoltenberg is a Putin puppet.
I love just how mad these lost redditors get when they're confronted with the real world
Amazing counterpoint. Do feel free to take your valuable time away from licking Washington urinals to link to Russian statements about red lines that have been crossed.
You first
I'm not the one making idiotic claims at odds with reality. You said Russian red lines have been crossed, it's on you to link to official Russian statements outlining the red lines you claim have been crossed.
Excuse me, but when did Ukraine join or at least tried to join NATO? This war started in February of 2014, by the way.
The civil war in Ukraine started in 2014 after a violent coup sponsored by the west. Meanwhile, you can stop lying because Stoltenberg already let the cat out of the bag. NATO was in Ukraine since 2014
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_211698.htm
and the war started because NATO insisted on expanding into Ukraine
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_218172.htm
time to update your script and get some new talking points
Underwhelming and utterly dissapointing. First of all, that was a question of mine and not a statement that would imply a lie. Second of all, you're full of crap. Ukraine was, is, and will be an independent and sovereign state that can choose what to do with it's own future, on it's own; if it's population wants to join UE or NATO, so be it. Besides an agreement that never existed on paper and Stoltenberg's cat, there aren't any substantial facts that would help your „narrow point of view“ and the stupid propaganda that it's trying to spread: Ukraine had changed it's constitution that would define it's political orientation towards UE and NATO 5 years after Russia invaded it's territories (in 2019/in late February of 2014), or there hadn't been any official court/investigation, not even russian I believe, that would confirm/state that whatever happened in Ukraine was a „civil war“. Also, didn't Russia try to join NATO in the early 00's? Why make an enemy of it now, nothing much has changed since then.
Should've added mic drops after „time to update your script and get some new talking points“, smh...
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Anything else? Gotchu.
Oh you mean after Russia invaded Crimea? And even if NATO was "in Ukraine" like you say, that's no reason to go to war. Russia has a nuclear deterrent. It doesn't need a buffer state. This isn't the 1890s.
Countries have a right to self determination. So even if Ukraine was looking to join NATO, which it wasn't, that is not a valid reason to invade your sovereign neighbor. The number one driver of NATO expansion is Russian aggression.
A nuclear tipped missile can hit Moscow from Ukraine in under 5 minutes clown. If you think Russia would ever allow that, you're even dumber than I thought. We also know that the US would never allow anything like this either, hence why the Cuban missile crisis happened.
Self determination is a funny way to describe having your democratically elected government overthrown in a violent western backed coup.
LMFAO
why'd you delete that clown, it was pretty funny