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Summary

Bernie Sanders criticizes the Democratic Party for neglecting the working class, leading to their recent election losses.

He highlights issues like economic inequality, job displacement, healthcare costs, and foreign policy as key concerns for the American people.

Sanders questions whether the Democratic leadership will address these issues or remain beholden to big money interests.

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[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Finally. Everybody on Lemmy has been sucking donkey dick so hard. They’re not gonna save you. Need to start looking elsewhere or force their hand. RCV will help do that.

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

It's the reality of first past the post. Third party voting is simply almost never an option. You're mad at a natural law of the election system. Don't hate the players, hate the game

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

If I hate the game, and the players are the ones with the power to change the rules of the game and choose not to, where does that leave me?

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 7 points 2 weeks ago

Exactly. No players, no game. We need to organize and plan.

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world -4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It leaves you stuck in the system you have along with those players. You can vote third party, organize around a different election system, but don't shit on people who see that as wasted effort at best and sabotage at worst. They're not wrong, because it's an all-or-nothing play. You're shooting the moon. If you vote third party, you'd better be 100% sure they're gonna win or you're just wasting your vote you could have used to cancel a fascist's vote. Don't say "they choose not to" but realize you're demanding they take a huge risk with small chance of success (zero chance if you don't organize and just complain on the internet)

[–] argarath@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If the third party is actually able to represent the people better than one of the current two why can't it be switched to it? It could start with local elections to then state level candidates, it wouldn't be a switch out of the blue, most people wouldn't even know it exists the first few elections (hell, just the amount of people googling if Biden had dropped out of the race on the day of elections shows how uninformed people can be) but the current state of the democratic party can't stay, it either gets kicked out or it adapts because of competition

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago

Because of FPTP, that means that the GOP will have the presidency for a long time because the Democrats vote would be split.

And if that is the case, you can be sure that no voting reform will happen, bringing back the two party system.

It's the natural evolution of FPTP system.

The best case scenario would be for the Democratic party to prop up a political reform as one of their main issue, in the hope that the voters will give them the presidency, senate and house to do just that.

But the DNC would have to follow through will all of that if they get to that point, which probably won't happen.

So yeah, it looks bleak no matter how you look at it.

[–] sibachian@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

evidently, as this election proved, it's not like voting on the lesser of two evils worked either. better to vote for a third party who actually stands on the side of the people.

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

What does that do?

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Then make the Democrat party the third party lol

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I want the GOP third party where they belong.

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 2 points 2 weeks ago

Well we lost the chance this year. Man I have never been so wrong about people coming out just to stop Trump. I would have loved to see the GOP eat each other.

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Doesn't matter as long as Republicans are #1.

[–] BadmanDan@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

RCV was on the ballot in 5 states and it failed.

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Just gotta keep educating people about it, especially during times like this. A lot of people in power don’t want it, but some opposition is also cost related.