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If Harris Loses Today, This Is Why (jacobin.com)

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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 33 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That’s silly: it won’t be because of her platform, it will be because of Hamas or Putler interweb trolls or the voters themselves, because Dems will look anywhere but in the mirror for their losses.

[–] orvorn@slrpnk.net -5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Hamas internet trolls? Do you have any sources for that? Russian misinformation campaigns are well documented but I find it hard to believe that Hamas is conducting similar operations.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Russian misinformation campaigns sure are well documented, if you’re a Maddow-pilled Russiagate conspiracy theorist.

Wall Street Journal: Mueller Doesn’t Find Trump Campaign Conspired With Russia

Jacobin: Democrats and Mainstream Media Were the Real Kremlin Assets

Washington Post: FEC fines DNC, Clinton for violating rules in funding Steele dossier

Washington Post: Russian trolls on Twitter had little influence on 2016 voters

Jacobin: It Turns Out Hillary Clinton, Not Russian Bots, Lost the 2016 Election

Matt Taibbi: Move Over, Jayson Blair: Meet Hamilton 68, the New King of Media Fraud The Twitter Files reveal that one of the most common news sources of the Trump era was a scam, making ordinary American political conversations look like Russian spywork

Jacobin: Why the Twitter Files Are in Fact a Big Deal On the Left, there’s been a temptation to dismiss the revelations about Twitter’s internal censorship system that have emerged from the so-called Twitter Files project. But that would be a mistake: the news is important and the details are alarming.

MSNBC Repeats Hamilton 68 Lies 279 Times in 11 Minutes

Jeff Gerth at Columbia Journalism Review on Russiagate: Editor's Note | Part one | Part two | Part three | Part four

Matt Taibbi: WMD, Part II: CIA "Cooked The Intelligence" To Hide That Russia Favored Clinton, Not Trump In 2016

Chris Hedges: Why Russiagate Won’t Go Away

[–] orvorn@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Thanks for sharing those sources! Sorry if I gave the impression that I believe in Russiagate. I meant that it is factually true that Russia attempts to spread misinformation on the internet, and I said that to contrast my belief that Hamas does not formally conduct operations to spread misinformation, unlike Russia. I am not trying to suggest anything about whether or not Russian propaganda is effective or targeted in any specific way.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Russia, like every other country, has its propaganda. Even Hamas, which does not currently control a formal Westphalian state, has its propaganda.

As for propaganda in general and misinformation in particular, the US spreads much, much, much more than Russia.

[–] orvorn@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

You keep posting sources for things that are unrelated to my original question. Obviously the USA is top or near top of the list of spreading propaganda online, no one in their right mind would debate that. If you have sources saying that Hamas is spreading misinformation in a way that affects the USA's 2024 presidential election I am very interested in learning about that.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago

If you have sources saying that Hamas is spreading misinformation

I didn’t say that Hamas was spreading misinformation. I wrote “Hamas or Putler interweb trolls,” which you read as “Hamas [interweb trolls] or Putler interweb trolls,” but I wasn’t talking about “Hamas interweb trolls.“

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago

this should help put things in perspective https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2024-us-election-pac-spending-donations-fec/

cc @davel@lemmy.ml