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Why are so many Pro-Palestine (I am pro-Palestine and anti-genocide) Americans refusing to vote for Harris due to her stance on Israel? (discuss.tchncs.de)

submitted 4 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) by dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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As the title states I am confused on this matter. The way I see it, the USA has a two party system and in the next few weeks they’re either going to have Trump or Harris as president, come inauguration day. With this in mind doesn’t it make sense to vote for the person least likely to escalate the situation even more.

Giving your vote to an independent or worse not voting at all, just gives more of a chance for Trump to win the election and then who knows what crazy stuff he will allow, or encourage, Israel to get away with.

I really don’t get the logic. As sure nobody wants to vote for a party allowing these heinous crimes to be committed, but given you’re getting one of them shouldn’t you be voting for the one that will be the least horrible of the two.

Please don’t come at me with pro-Israeli rhetoric as this isn’t the post for that, I’m asking about why people would make such choices and I’m not up for debate on the Middle East, on this post, you can DM me for that.

Edit: Bedtime here now so will respond to incoming comments in the morning, love starting the day with an inbox full 😊.

Edit 2: This blew up, it’s a little overwhelming right now but I do intent on replying to everybody that took the time to comment. Just need to get in the right headspace.

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[–] basmati@lemmus.org 4 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Protesting, mutual aid networks, volunteering for charities aiding the Palestinians. I've helped raise two million for unrwa, before Israel and the US started slaughtering them.

Voting for genocide does not help the victims of genocide, current or future.

[–] zephr_c@lemm.ee 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Sure, sure. I totally believe you. All this just happened to happen completely disconnected from anything on Lemmy, but as soon as someone calls you out suddenly you've always been a saint. I totally buy it. Totally.

[–] basmati@lemmus.org 5 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm not a saint, I'm a generic human doing the bare minimum. If you think anything in that previous comment was brag worthy, you're objectively bad at being a human and I'm not sure you can be helped. You're a bad person.

[–] zephr_c@lemm.ee -2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Pfft, I'm not the one telling anyone that wanting less people to die is supporting genocide and claiming to have raised two million dollars on the basis of trust me bro.

[–] basmati@lemmus.org 3 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes let me completely dox myself to a random government supporting person that thinks genocide is necessary. That always ends well, fed.

[–] zephr_c@lemm.ee -1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Sure, you totally raised millions of dollars for a cause that the government is opposed to, but they totally don't know who you are. Sure, dude. And yeah, harm reduction is totally the same thing as supporting the government. There can be no disagreement. Either you agree with every word I say or you're a fed. Those are the only options.

Man, Lemmy sure is a shithole where leftists go when they know they've failed but want an echo chamber to tell them they're totally right about everything.

[–] basmati@lemmus.org 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

There is no lesser evil in genocide.

Period.

Your life, your rights, are not worth genocide, period.

[–] zephr_c@lemm.ee 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Tell that to the people whose lives are on the line.

[–] basmati@lemmus.org 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Hi, that's me. My life is on the line. It is not worth the genocide of an entire people.

If you believe your life is, you need to die. Not calling for violence, before the report. If a person believes they should continue existing by killing other humans, that person needs to die. They cannot be allowed to continue existing. Every time someone like that gains popularity and power, a genocide happens. Every single time. People like that aren't human, they lack empathy which is required for human society to function.

[–] zephr_c@lemm.ee 1 points 4 weeks ago

Nah, bullshit. Don't lie to me. You aren't this stupid. If Trump wins Rafah will be a crater and violence will be escalating in the West Bank within a month. I'm not willing to watch those people die just to send a message. That's genocide just as surely as anything the Democrats are doing. Those are the lives that matter. Those are the lives I'm talking about. If you can't bring yourself to stop that, you don't actually care about genocide. You just want to be self-righteous.