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[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 24 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

Or, alternately, and I'm just spitballing randomly here... Russians could gtfo of Ukraine and go home?

[–] PanArab@lemm.ee -1 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

Only if this standard is applied universally. I agree.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

You know what would be a great way to establish that standard?

GETTING YOUR FUCKING ASSES THE FUCK OUT OF UKRAINE!!!

And I'm only suggesting this because every day you don't, will absolutely be a horrifying misery for every Russian, further destroying the fabric of the country and guaranteeing the aftermath will be less recoverable.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

...you only want Russia to stop genociding Ukraine if all other war stops? Until then you want the genocide to continue?

[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 0 points 4 weeks ago

Yes, russians should gtfo of other countries universally.

[–] aidan@lemmy.world -2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

How many of these Russian maintainers were in Ukraine?

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Don't care.

They can still write and submit, they just can't be maintainers, because every second there's a single uninvited Russian in Ukraine, Russia should go fuck itself.

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Russian people aren't the Russian state

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

And that's unfortunate for them.

The Russian state is still hurting other people, they get some of the backlash. C'est la vie.

If there is 0 motivation to 'rectify the issue with leadership' then there is 0 accountability at all.

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

What backlash do all Americans, all Palestinians, all Israelis, all Chinese, all French, and many more deserve?

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Don't know, but if they want to avoid that backlash there's literally 1 person they can remove to fix it.

Or let me guess, Germans in 1945 didn't deserve the cruelty they got from the red army either?

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Don’t know, but if they want to avoid that backlash there’s literally 1 person they can remove to fix it.

Good idea, I expect you hold the same standard for all Americans, French, Israelis, Chinese, and Palestinians too

Or let me guess, Germans in 1945 didn’t deserve the cruelty they got from the red army either?

You're right, they didn't. Shockingly, being cruel to civilians and conscripts isn't cool. If "lashing out against oppressors" is okay then I'm sure you supported what happened in Rwanda? What about the Khmer Rouge killing foreigners?

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm sorry, Russia celebrates their cruelty to civilians on a yearly basis.

They were cruel to civilians for sport: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Revolution_of_1956

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grozny_(1999%E2%80%932000)

~~Maybe~~ Obviously this is the only language Russians understand to teach them to stop.

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Russians are not the Russian state, I'm well aware of what Russian(and don't forget other Eastern Bloc militaries did at the time). My relatives were arrested for protesting in the Prague Spring. Actually, one of those relatives runs an organization for political prisoners. This kind of reciprocal cruelty will just make it more common. Just look at the Yugoslav wars, or the eastern front in WW2 if you don't believe me. Or every war that's happened in the middle east or south east asia for the past 50 years. Actually a lot of soviet oppression of the western republics (Ukraine, Causes, etc) was justified based on the cruelties nationalists did from those countries while fighting on the side of the Germans in WW2. This nationalist/xenophobic "revenge" on civilians is evil. (And rests on the same premise as was used to justify 9/11, collective guilt)

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If the cruelty had stopped, I would agree revenge is inappropriate.

So I'll stop wishing for, the painful death of Russians, and even donating to buy drones to kill Russian soldiers and wish for the best outcome for all Russian people.

5 seconds after they leave Ukraine.

They have to learn a lesson, and unfortunately Russians only speak the language of blood. Proof cited: the invasion of Ukraine.

[–] aidan@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

If the cruelty had stopped, I would agree revenge is inappropriate.

Has the cruelty done by the US, France, Palestine(under Hamas), and Israel stopped?

[–] polar@lemmy.world -5 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

The US occupying 1/3 of Syria and Iraq for far longer is ok though.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

In comparison? Yeah.

Russia, the dumb drunk fucks they are, even tried to rush our forces, because they were outnumbered 50:1 but apparently Russians can't do math and don't understand you don't fuck with Americans unless you're 5000:1, or at least don't try to charge joint forces with a bunch of morons running across the desert.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khasham

We also didn't commit a proper genocide on them Ala the Holodomor.

I guess it just sucks to be trash.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago

Just putting this here so it's above that absolutely disgusting, genocide-denying propaganda from polar:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

[–] polar@lemmy.world -2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Yep, the US is so powerful that is why Assad still in power and all regions with large population are kept away from US. Holodomor is highly disputed if is man-made. Specially when you consider Russia had a equally devastated famine at the very same time (Soviet famine of 1930–1933) and another a decade prior (Russian famine of 1921–1922). But of course, we only care about the mostly Ukraine affected one Holodomor one (1932-33) because it fits our anti-Russian agenda. As a rural guy, let me tell you, ironically, when famine strikes, the ones who suffer the most are farmers (a long story to explain here why)... Ukraine and parts of non industrialized Soviet Union all suffered famine and millions upon millions died, no distinctions if they spoke Russian or Ukrainian.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago

Holodomor is highly disputed if is man-made.

Jesus, the oil companies would love you!

[–] farngis_mcgiles@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 weeks ago

they only killed like half a million brown people in 10 years and have the world's largest prison population both per capita and in total