While Ms. Stein condemns both “zombie political parties” as tools of Wall Street and war profiteers, her campaign has focused largely on hammering Ms. Harris, blaming the White House she serves for relentless violence in Gaza and Lebanon.
And Democrats, as never before, are focused on Ms. Stein.
The party has prepared a negative ad blitz for the election’s final weeks, its first-such effort ever directed at a third-party candidate. Fearful that Ms. Stein might divert critical votes in places like Michigan, Democrats are also pressing their case on billboards plastered recently across swing states:
“Jill Stein Helped Trump Once. Don’t Let Her Do It Again.”
She dismisses the “spoiler mythology” that has come to define her mainstream identity, noting — accurately enough — that some of her supporters would never back Ms. Harris anyway.
She says that Democrats would do well to look inward, disputing that she bears any responsibility for Mr. Trump’s fortunes, then or now.
“Those conversations never go anywhere,” Ms. Stein, 74, said in a wide-ranging interview.
What even is her endgame?
To draw votes away from the Democratic party nominee at the behest of her Russian donors. NBC News Link about the infamous dinner.
I know, but what is she getting out of it?
Attention. Whether or not you agree with her, getting paid to cruise around the country telling people what your political views are is a pretty sweet gig
It sounds soul-crushingly exhausting
Money and a chance for power, obviously.
The already successful medical doctor probably int doing it for money. She'd just run as a dem if she wanted money.AOC has 10x'd her net worth by grifting horny liberals that want to pretend they're left wing.
It's not even funny calling you people blue MAGA anymore. You're not different enough to warrant the modifier.
Where has Jill Stein been for the past four years? Do you think this is what politics is? Disappearing from public view (only popping up to dine with autocrats), only to show up when it's election time? Do you think this is how legitimate political parties operate?
Where's Kamala or Trump been? What's your point?
Absolutely deranged. "the news I read didn't give something page space therefore it doesn't exist"
Like I even give a shit about Stein and wasn't just making an observation about how your brain is broken with Rachel Maddow conspiracy theories.
Literally, they were both out campaigning for their party's candidates in elections in 2021, 22, and 23
Okay?
We are maybe talking past each other? You responded to a comment asking where Jill Stein was the last 4 years, which is a question attached to the argument that her lack of efforts in the off years is evidence that she is not running a serious candidacy. You responded by asking what about the two big party candidates offseason's actions, implying that you believe their actions are deficient under a similar line of critique. I pointed out that they did campaign to increase the standing of their platform and their party through lower level elections in the off years, which seems like a pretty strong rebuttal to the implication that they are not actively working to promote their positions throughout government. Perhaps you can explain why you view that as irrelevant
Two levels of comment replies (both yours) and five hours since I said this and you're acting like we're talking past each other when you're just ignoring what I say.
But as a side note: "they positioned themselves within their major party" as your response boils down to reads as bullshit to me. That doesn't count. The correct answer is they've done nothing. Harris has been sitting in a dark room doing laudanum and showing up to give policy speeches that would make Biden look bad if he gave them himself ("Don't come"). Trump has been doing cocaine and being a media removed. (sex worker)
You're just playing Calvinball filling in reasonable details to answer the question "what makes a serious candidate" so you don't have to just come out and say "one of the two parties nominates them"
You asked a question (where have Kamala and Trump been?). I answered in what I believe was a relevant manner to the topic at hand and is a salient rebuttal of your "observation". I don't see how your claim to not care is relevant, you're going to have to explain that one to me. For the record, I'm not the person you were replying to, nor have I watched a single episode of Maddow
Okay now you're just being belligerent. Your "response" has nothing to do with the subject that was presented at you and you're just trying to "win" with "attitude" rather than "having a point".
Once again showing off your reading ability by pointing out something I said explicitly already. You're such a smart person who has valuable things to say! Sufferable! Not insufferable!
Holy God that lives in the sky I can't wait for you to reply again.
I like BlueAnon, personally
Stein has already been cleared of colluding with Russia. Your image is ten years old.
The reason you might not be aware of this is the /Politics mods banning people who debunk it.
I dunno, I didn't exactly see a ton of value in those posts.
You're right, it was 2015, but as a simple layman I was aware of Russian meddling by the time this dinner happened. So if Jill and the Green party weren't aware of how bad this would look, and how worthless an olive branch to Putin would be, then at the very least they're too incompetent to be worth a vote. Unfortunately I did not know about this gaffe by the time of the election and even voted for Stein in that election, which I still regret.
No one is even talking about past collusion accusations. We are talking about right now.
It would be helpful to not leak a ten year old image in a seven year old article if there was evidence. Do present it.
If Stein was truly colluding with Russia the Democrats would have had a legal foot to bar her from running. And they would not need to make up crazy conspiracy theories which rely on censorship.
Everyone I don't like is a Russian asset, the Democrat's guide to political discussion
My take:
To demonstrate that there is a more leftist population in the US public than is regularly recognized and shift the entire discussion in that direction.
To create a strong alternative to the major pro-corporate parties that is more in line with the rest of the liberal parties around the world.
To oppose the highly organized far right.
No, I won't vote for her this year. But I can appreciate the above goals.
This is not how you do this. You don't disappear and pop up for a few months every four years. That is not how a legitimate political party operates.
She clearly does not give a shit about making the Green Party a legitimate alternative.
FYI the green party is now openly admitting that their goal is to prevent Kamala Harris from winning the presidency.
https://www.nj.com/politics/2024/10/harris-vs-trump-spoiler-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud.html
GREEN = Getting Republicans Elected Every November
To beat the duopoly
To not have the kompromat that Putin is holding over her be released publicly?
This is an interesting take
I have no evidence to support it, besides her ties to the Kremlin that have already been widely reported on (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=jill+stein+russia).
GREEN Party = Getting Republicans Elected Every November
WOW YOU DON'T SAY
WOW I DO SAY!! Literally, you even quoted me saying it...
It sure would be par for the course and explain QUITE a lot about Jill Stein and her behavior/comments regarding Putin, Russia, and Putin's political enemies in the USA. Good thing I'm just a random person on the internet posting an opinion. Feel free to dismiss my opinion, and we'll see what fraction of a percentage of the vote she receives in November lol
Lmao what are you doing right now? Puffing your chest out over a third party candidate not being viable?
The subject is your use of ~~Alex Jones~~ Rachel Maddow unhinged conspiracy theories to fill in the gaps between your horrible nazi ideology and your positive self image.
P.S. if you don't like Nazis, boy wait until you hear about this guy named Donald Trump and some of the things he has said. Something about immigrants poisoning the blood of our country... Hmm, sounds like someone both of us would want to prevent from getting into office, right?
Seriously, I'm going to need hear a good reason why I should throw my vote directly into the trash on a candidate that is going to receive less than 1% of the vote, instead of voting against a real fascist who publicly has taken the mask off.
"If you don't like nazis, consider joining our nazi party! We wear a mask to pretend we aren't nazis!"
"Instead of using nazi rhetoric about immigrants while we murder them, we just murder them!"
You are claiming that Kamala Harris and democrats are murdering immigrants? But I thought Kamala Harris loves immigrants because she can get them to illegally vote for her?????? Surely you didn't just make it up as you typed it...
Good try! Still waiting to hear your answer to the question “What even is her endgame?”
At a higher rate than the president before, just like it was with Obama. That's what you get when you elect a segregationist.
Baby brain having a tantrum because I won't just take whatever side of whatever argument they assign me
My friend, both Obama and Harris are black... what a REACH! So if Obama and Harris are "segregationists", how would you describe Trump?
Well, I'm all ears to hear what side of the argument you are on and how you see things! Don't let me assign a side to you, speak for yourself and tell us your position!
Why are you reacting as if Harris is the president right now? Just how fucking illiterate are you?
😂
So, let's hear your take on "What even is her endgame"?
Now is your opportunity to share your opinion, like I've shared mine, and we can discuss it instead of baselessly calling each other nazis. It's tempting to just dismiss you as a propgandist the way you've dismissed me as a nazi (seriously???), but this is just toxic to discussion.
Its not puffing my chest lol just reality.
And what are YOU doing right now? Wanting to sway votes from a viable candidate to give them to a non-viable one for what reason, exactly? Hmm, gee, I wonder. Settle my wondering mind, and let me know your take!! I'll wait.
Lol how funny they're calling me a nazi because I support genocide abroad and ethnic cleansing at home. I'm just going to laugh and post emojis of laughing because when it comes down to being challenged I stop pretending to be a liberal and act like a straight up nazi just like on reddit in 2016.
It must be exhausting to have to dodge basic questions about your position and come up with ways to attempt to deflect lol. Why can't you just say why you are supporting and believe in Jill Stein? You seem so passionate about it, surely you've thought it through and can put your ideas into writing. What makes that so hard? Wouldn't it be easier to win people over to your cause by explaining your position instead of calling the people you want to persuade nazis? I have to assume you support Stein, because you still haven't weighed in; correct me if I'm wrong!!
I'm not obligated to answer questions about a position that isn't mine own just because you're too stupid to read properly.
Quite a bit of projection.
A narcissist in addition to an idiot.
I'll let you in on something that I'm guessing you haven't realized yet, human-being to human-being.
We've been through 9 years of this already. NINE YEARS. That is a long time, and people really aren't goldfish or stupid, like you might think. By now, the alt-right playbook is tired, old, worn out, and desperately needs some new material. People have caught on to it and can spot your bad-faith arguments from the moment you jump into the discussion to try to rile people up against Harris/for Trump. It just doesn't work anymore.
Maybe I'm wrong and it does still work, and you can come back and reply "Ha ha I told you so!" if Trump wins in a couple weeks.
The fact that you think I'm a Trump supporter proves pretty much the opposite of everything you just said about yourself. You are stupid. You have no handle on any stripe of politics. You do have a goldfish brain.
Alrighty!