this post was submitted on 14 Oct 2024
152 points (80.2% liked)

United States | News & Politics

7228 readers
238 users here now

founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS
 

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/21396125

Stephen Starr in Hamtramck, Michigan
Mon 14 Oct 2024 11.00 EDT

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] ResoluteCatnap@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Your understanding is solid for not being an American. You're not missing anything substantial-- people who are voting 3rd party think that the "dems need to learn" and that the dems can't do whatever they want so their vote is supposed to be a punishment. But as you point out that if they really cared about this issue then they would vote for Harris because trump will do worse on this issue and all around. The time to make changes to our political system is not when you vote for president, but in the years leading up to that.

In other words, people voting for 3rd party or Trump over this issue are morons. It sucks that our political system is what it is but if you knowingly vote for anything other than the candidate promising not-fascism, then you are supporting fascism.

I just hope enough democrats understand this. I'm not happy with gaza either but our country is still recovering from the first shit show presidency of Trump, and fascists are closely watching this election.

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

In other words, people voting for 3rd party or Trump over this issue are morons

incorrect you're missing context of reliably blue states. I most certainly dont need to vote for democrats and can essentially do what I want w/ respect to the presidential ticket.

All the nonsense from the liberal idiots in the democratic party miss this critical contextual bit of information. I happily vote 3rd party whenever there is one that aligns more closely with my goals. its just rare one does; because it simply doesn't matter in my state for the outcome.

My ballot typically goes:

  • 3rd party for pres
  • dem/independents for most local positions

all this blue no matter who are just brain dead lunacy by the party is essentially: The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final and most essential command.

Hopefully some day we'll be able to have reasonable conversations about the toxicity of the democratic party but we just are not there yet and unfortunately the Ukrainians and Palestinians are paying the price in blood and harris doesnt have the backbone to challenge her corporate owners. Biden lost my support when he broke the train union strike. I believe he and harris would have broken the port workers strike as well if it wasn't a month before the election.

things that prevent me from voting for harris:

  • wont enforce the leahy laws with israel. israel absolutely does have a right to defend itself, it doesn't have a right to be supported by the US tax payers. if the MIC wants money there is a far more moral war going on we can increase support for. (HUGE red flag)
  • wont commit to keeping Ms khan. (HUGE red flag)
  • i don't trust her w/ respect to union support. I believe she'll break unions just like biden did. which is why he lost my support.
  • her continuous attempts to gaslight the american people over biden's mental decline makes her untrustworthy as an individual.

until then I'll continue advocating for and campaigning for election reform and primarying useless democrats. She could probably swing my vote if she commits to khan and never breaking a strike as those are important to the health of our country and economy but at this point its clear she wont shift.

[–] ResoluteCatnap@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I'm glad you took one sentence out of context to tell me why youre not a moron. Good for you.. the context of the article is a swing state. While your ticket may not matter, in your opinion, telling this to other people is in direct support for facism. Gtfo

Edit: oh and i missed that its a 2 day account only commenting on this shit. Say hello to Russia for me and welcome to my block list

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 2 points 1 month ago

While your ticket may not matter, in your opinion, telling this to other people is in direct support for facism. Gtfo

Just vote for my team bro 🤡

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

you're upset I deconstructed your entire position in a couple of paragraphs and think burying your head in the sand will resolve the obvious problems with your positions. (hint: they won't)

learn how to influence your politicians. voting for them when they dont support your interests doesn't work. being afraid of their opposition doesn't work. What have you done to fix FPTP voting issues? What have you done to prevent genocides?

I only quoted a single sentence you're entire post was predicated on it. you're the only moron because you lack contextual awareness; unlike the Palestinians in swing states. Good on them and I wish them the best of luck, I'm rooting for them and emailing my congress critters so they know that harris doesnt have my support is she continues her israel non-sense and issues with khan.

edit: seems like the pressure is working now harris just needs to come out and say she'll continue the enforcement of leahy and a cessation of hostilities. keep up the good work people few days left.