I tend to browse /All and by New on Lemmy. I went to respond on a thread on !vegan@lemmy.world to thank someone for a recipe that looked good, and found out I had been banned.
Odd, considering I hadn't posted to that sub at any point in the past. I checked the modlog to find that "Mod" had banned a bunch of people citing "Rule 5."
Their Rule 5 states: Bad-faith carnist rhetoric & anti-veganism are not allowed, as this is not a space to debate the merits of veganism. Anyone is welcome here, however, and so good-faith efforts to ask questions about veganism may be given their own weekly stickied post in the future (see current stickied discussion).
I (and hundreds of others) seemingly broke rule 5 of this community without ever posting there. What is going on?
And my apologies if this isn't the place for this, but I had no idea where else to post the question.
For a community that just tries to exist peacefully and gets brigaded by “jerks” all the time, they sure are weirdly fixated on becoming the centre of attention every single week.
You should not feed the troll, but it’s too fascinating not to look at it. Like a pack of chimpanzees flinging their doodoo at the glass walls.
They could make the community private. They could keep rabbits as pets. They have made veganism their entire identity, a pseude-religion, and they have a pathological need for validation. Anyone who questions their absolute moral superiority challenges that identity so they seal themselves up in a hermetically sealed, idea tight echo bunker where only supportive ideas are allowed and only validating up votes are tolerated.
They, of course, feel quite free to spread their extremism to discussions outside of the echo bunker, they just don't tolerate other ideas in the echo bunker.
You can tell this is a good faith criticism by how it simultaneously criticizes them for not making the community private and for being an "echo bunker."
I didn't criticize them for not taking the community private. I simply pointed out that they could completely seal the echo bunker by taking the community private. I also pointed out that they could keep vegetarian pets and feed them a vegan diet without anyone criticising them for trying to feed a vegan diet to a carnivore.
Fair warning: The account you're arguing with is a troll account who bad-faith argues with everyone, as evidenced by their post history - they often simply have their posts deleted by mods. It's best to block and move on.
As much as I hate echo chamber-ing, when it comes to trolls, it is occasionally required.
It's an. ML account. I know what it is but thanks for the warning.
Fair enough!
Wait, vegans have animal prisoners? Like in cages and leashes, and glass prisons?!?!?!?
Real coherent .
I think it's an expression of ego. They are absolutely convinced of their moroal superiority and are frustrated by the fact that they haven't been able to insult, harass, bully, shame, and threathen everyone into joining their quasi-religion so they're going to prove to themselves that they are right by keeping a captive carnivore and forcing it to eat a vegan diet. They justify this by self-absolving. Self-absolution is one of the hallmarks of extremists. Anything they do, even when it goes against their own beliefs, is ok because they are morally pure.
Did you know that vegans are hated on par with drug addicts? Perhaps. Did you know that people who consume a plant-based diet for their health or for the environment are hated much less than people who are vegan because of concerns about animal welfare? I think that's interesting. People feel judged by the mere existence of ethical vegans. And I think you are demonstrating how those feelings of being judged are expressed as defensiveness and "hatred" (though I know that language seems strong in this context).
Oh take the back of your hand off your forehead. That's just fucking ridiculous. You know you're not purple, right? You don't glow in the dark? How the fuck could anyone know that you were a vegan other than you telling literally everyone you speak to that you are? It's like that fucking cross-fit and spin crowd. Literally no one would care if there weren't extremists out there harassing restauranteurs and butchers to try to bully them into not serving meat. If vegan extremists didn't lecture, harangue, and shame anyone who eats meat then no one would care. If you're hated it's because of your behaviour and how you treat people, not because you choose not to eat meat.
No one cares what you eat or why. They only care how you act and how you treat other people. Have you tried being nicer to people?
It has nothing to do with ethical veganism and everything to do with harassing, intimidating, bullying, shaming, insulting, labeling, haranguing, etc. people to try to get your way.
It is how you act, not what you eat.