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[–] kitnaht@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

At $700 you could build a pretty decent PC that would last a lot longer, and build a steam library that you'll have 20 years from now. I've had the same monitor, keyboard and mouse for an easy 10; controllers don't last that long. They're reaching a point where there's less and less of an actual argument for owning one.

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It's kinda rich to plug Steam, where you also don't own your games.

[–] lowleveldata@programming.dev 0 points 2 months ago

Well for Steam at least the library is independent of the hardware

[–] kitnaht@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It comes pretty close to feature parity in terms of ownership. My kids can play my steam library on their own computers, I can play it on any machine I own, I don't have to pay them any kind of rental fee, and they maintain my software for me.

Only thing I can't do is what...sell my games to someone else? I don't do that anyways.

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm not betting on Steam disappearing in the next ten years. I probably wouldn't even bet that they'll disappear in my lifetime. But, they could, anything could happen, and then you don't have that library anymore. Physical is the only way to truly own.

[–] kitnaht@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

But, they could, anything could happen, and then you don't have that library anymore. Physical is the only way to truly own.

That's exactly my point. Steam has allowed me to OWN Half Life longer than I would have been able to with physical media. Those CDs don't last that long. I'm not that careful.

So the balance is "own my own stuff and all the problems that come with keeping it pristine so that it continues to work, taking up space in my house" - or the infinitesimally small chance that STEAM goes belly up. Steam has allowed me to own my games for a lot longer than I could have kept them myself. So the argument of "oh they could go away!" doesn't really hold any water for me. Especially for games with an online component (which is all of them now) -- What's the use of physical media when the game requires some servers that vanished long ago anyways?

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago

That's a strange point, imho. We disagree on what own means. You being bad with your physical media doesn't mean you didn't more truthfully own it. We will have to agree to disagree, have a nice day.

[–] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Replace the 3060 with an equally-priced AMD card and you'll actually get something decent for your money. Nvidia is horrible at these "lower" price points.

[–] kitnaht@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I mean, if you like horrible driver stability; sure. There's a reason NVidia has like 75% of the market share, and it's simply because they have a better product. Drivers are more stable, everyone develops for CUDA processing, lots of games only support DLSS for frame-gen, all of the GPU accelerated AI stuff is all NVidia centered, etc.

[–] realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club 0 points 2 months ago

And something that can run PS3, PS2 and PS1 games!

I'm sorely disappointed that none of that fancy AI-powered Sony upscaling can be put to use to any of those old games.

[–] dan@upvote.au 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

build a steam library that you'll have 20 years from now

How do you know that Steam will be around in 20 years?

Use GOG instead, since the DRM-free game installers will outlive Steam :)

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

How many people actually download and store those installers though? I think GOG is awesome too but practically if you exclusively shop there you have the same problem unless you have a massive NAS on hand

[–] dan@upvote.au 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I've still got my original installers and CD keys for Unreal Tournament 99 GOTY, Need for Speed Underground, Trackmania United, and a bunch of others, and even some DOS games, so there's at least some of us that keep the installers. I have a few of them on USB hard drives I've collected over the last 25 years or so... I really need to move them onto my NAS. :)

I used to buy directly from the publisher though. Some of them still have working download links, for example Ubisoft/Nadeo still have a working download link for Trackmania United even though it's nearly 20 years old now.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

How do you know that Steam will be around in 20 years?

Use GOG instead, since the DRM-free game installers will outlive Steam :)

How do you know Windows will keep compatibility in 20 years? Valve money partially goes into Proton/WINE development and an evolution of that will absolutely be around in 20 years, just WINE was around 20 years ago already. CD Project doesn't put any GOG/Cyberpunk money into breaking the Windows monopoly. (Also plenty of titles on Steam come without DRM because DRM is optional.)

[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My GOG games run great on wine, it just takes a bit more work to install them. Wine has better support for early windows games than windows does now.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

CD Project doesn't do anything to improve WINE, so spending money there is wasted.

[–] dan@upvote.au 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

How do you know Windows will keep compatibility in 20 years?

I didn't mention Windows anywhere in my comment? GOG has Linux versions of games too, for games with Linux ports.

plenty of titles on Steam come without DRM because DRM is optional

That's true - for the DRM-free Steam games, you can just keep a separate backup copy of the game files. They usually run fine without Steam installed.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Barely any game on GOG has a Linux port and CD Project enforces the Windows monopoly. GOG Galaxy only available for Windows, their own games only available for Windows, none of their massive resources put into improving WINE.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

I was more successful running witcher 2 with the windows installer on the steam deck than with the linux one.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I’ve had the same monitor, keyboard and mouse for an easy 10;

I guess it depends on frequency of use, but I've never had a mouse last ten years. I wear through the switch on the mouse button in less than that, starts to act unreliably.