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Telegram founder and CEO Pavel Durov was arrested Saturday night by French authorities on allegations that his social media platform was being used for child pornography, drug trafficking and organized crime. The move sparked debate over free speech worldwide from prominent anti-censorship figures including Elon Musk, Robert F. Kennedy. Jr. ~~and Edward Snowden~~. However, "the immediate freakout came from Russia," reports Politico. "That's because Telegram is widely used by the Russian military for battlefield communications thanks to problems with rolling out its own secure comms system. It's also the primary vehicle for pro-war military bloggers and media -- as well as millions of ordinary Russians." From the report:

"They practically detained the head of communication of the Russian army," Russian military blogger channel Povernutie na Z Voine said in a Telegram statement. The blog site Dva Mayora said that Russian specialists are working on an alternative to Telegram, but that the Russian army's Main Communications Directorate has "not shown any real interest" in getting such a system to Russian troops. The site said Durov's arrest may actually speed up the development of an independent comms system. Alarmed Russian policymakers are calling for Durov's release.

"[Durov's] arrest may have political grounds and be a tool for gaining access to the personal information of Telegram users," the Deputy Speaker of the Russian Duma Vladislav Davankov said in a Telegram statement. "This cannot be allowed. If the French authorities refuse to release Pavel Durov from custody, I propose making every effort to move him to the UAE or the Russian Federation. With his consent, of course." Their worry is that Durov may hand over encryption keys to the French authorities, allowing access to the platform and any communications that users thought was encrypted.

French President Emmanuel Macron said Monday that the arrest of Durov was "in no way a political decision." The Russian embassy has demanded that it get access to Durov, but the Kremlin has so far not issued a statement on the arrest. "Before saying anything, we should wait for the situation to become clearer," said Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov. However, officials and law enforcement agencies were instructed to clear all their communication from Telegram, the pro-Kremlin channel Baza reported. "Everyone who is used to using the platform for sensitive conversations/conversations should delete those conversations right now and not do it again," Kremlin propagandist Margarita Simonyan said in a Telegram post. "Durov has been shut down to get the keys. And he's going to give them."

Edit: Not sure where the Slashdot summary got "Edward Snowden", but he's not mentioned in any of the links.

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[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

They've made statement they they like the bot, and it's staying. 🙄

[–] Five@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

They've also removed comments critical of the bot, and ignored the overwhelming negative feedback and the consensus that the bot should be removed when they've opened the discussion up to the community.

I'd be satisfied if my criticism changed the mods minds, but at this point they are not my target audience. My goal in these comments is to inform those who are on the fence about why the bot is a bad idea, and signal boost the consensus that the bot's assessments are illegitimate.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sure, well put.

It's good to have a moment where mods of a platform show their hand, sets my expectations, and tailors my behavior.

Like, I'm just being me, not trying to stir things up, but this, among a few other actions have made clear to me that if the axe ever falls I'm going to be fine without Lemmy, it's not worth much.

[–] Five@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I’m going to be fine without Lemmy, it’s not worth much.

That's not the conclusion I'd like you to draw. I'm an admin of a Lemmy instance. I wouldn't volunteer so much of my time if I didn't think Lemmy was valuable.

Lemmy.World has a central role in the Threadiverse, but not an essential one. Sh.itjust.works, Lemm.ee, Reddthat.com or another general instance could easily take over that role if the consensus determines that Lemmy.World doesn't deserve it. Beehaw.org is the largest instance to de-federate from LW, and if things continue or get worse, LW's admin's actions may result in a re-ordering of the Threadiverse structure. Lemmy.World is not the same as the Theadiverse.

This is a radical option that is not possible in any corporate form of social media. If it occurs or the specter of it instigates the LW admins to relent, it would be a huge victory for democracy on the Threadiverse. A Lemmy instance can't exist without its hosts and admins, but it also relies on the consensus of its commenters, posters, and voters. This gives you as a participant unprecedented control of how the communities that you build engage with the news and the world.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

As just some dude, I will reflect on your words

[–] BertramDitore@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Same. Maybe I’ve been here too long and it’s time to fire up an alt on a different instance.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago

Thing is, I'm entirely happy with lemm.ee

How so: I never notice it. There's never problems, just our admin regularly improving and supporting it.

The problem is it almost seems like federation has allowed people to hyper specialize to a level they can't coexist. I think there's a lot of cross instance unhappiness percolating, before defederation. It seems like on other platforms, admins and mods with different attitudes had to put up with each other.

But, I literally don't know shit about fuck