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A Milwaukee woman has been jailed for 11 years for killing the man that prosecutors said had sex trafficked her as a teenager. 

The sentence, issued on Monday, ends a six-year legal battle for Chrystul Kizer, now 24, who had argued she should be immune from prosecution. 

Kizer was charged with reckless homicide for shooting Randall Volar, 34, in 2018 when she was 17. She accepted a plea deal earlier this year to avoid a life sentence.

Volar had been filming his sexual abuse of Kizer for more than a year before he was killed.

Kizer said she met Volar when she was 16, and that the man sexually assaulted her while giving her cash and gifts. She said he also made money by selling her to other men for sex.

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[–] fine_sandy_bottom@lemmy.federate.cc 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So you’re down for authoritarian democracy.

That's a disingenuous misrepresentation of what I've said. You can do better.

It's absurd to argue that a jury should have the ability to make up the law based on the vibe of a given case. Courts have not operated in that manner since pre-history. It's fair to say that civilisation itself is based on our collective ability to communicate and apply a reliable frame work of laws.

our founders instituted juries the way they did

Sure, juries determine whether the defendant is guilty or not guilty of the charges against them, that is quite literally how juries are instituted.

To say they must convict on the most absurd of laws

Juries do not "convict", they find a defendant guilty or not guilty of the charges against them.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You just described authoritarian or illiberal democracy and said you believe it's correct.

There's a democratic process for creating laws. If a government creates a law making having a given skin color a criminal act, then the role of a jury in such a case would be to find the defendant guilty.

If what you say is true then we don't need a jury at all. Just judges. After all why would we rely on random citizens when we could have a technical expert deciding if the law is applicable and was violated.

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@lemmy.federate.cc 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Obviously, you need a jury of the accused peers to find them guilty so as to avoid corruption. The court may not criminally penalise someone unless a more or less random selection of the public agree that the person is guilty of the charges against them.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

A corrupt court would just declare a mistrial over and over until it looks like they're getting the result they want. So a jury is hardly a defense against that. Heck a corrupt court would probably just find a way to not have a jury at all. Like forcing people into plea deals by denying them a defense.

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@lemmy.federate.cc 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Obviously, a jury prevents a judge from arbitrarily finding someone guilty.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So could a second and third judge.

Ok, but we have juries instead.