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An extreme version of this is: What should the German health service do if someone says they are willing to donate a kidney as long as it doesn't go to a Jew?

On the one hand, nobody is forced to donate a kidney and by forbidding this we're making things worse for an innocent patient. On the other hand, it can be seen as the state sanctioning this kind of discrimination.

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[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Excellent question. I have to put myself in their shoes. I don't want my kidneys going to.. a member of the North Korean dictatorship, or the CCP. Or any of the elite in Dubai. I don't see anything wrong with my preferences there, so we would have to allow people to discriminate indiscriminately. I guess I would have to be in favour. There are people that I think are more deserving than others. Jeffery Dahmer isn't getting my organs.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago

We've decided long ago that bad people surviving is better than good people dying.

[–] uncategory@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

β€œMany that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement.”

I do not understand the concept of "deserving to live." I did nothing to deserve life; it was given to me before I could do anything. Some people think that people can forfeit their "right to life" by their actions, but how can someone forfeit a right they never acquired?

I understand killing for practical reasons, in some cases, but claiming that everyone is born with a right to life that can be taken away is incoherent,

[–] bh11235@infosec.pub 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The way I see it you are under no obligation to bite that bullet just because of your understandable sentiment. It may be true that e.g. "My organs won't go to Catholics" and "My organs won't go to serial killers" are two sentences that have a similar structure, but this doesn't at all mean they have the same moral weight, or that we as a society are compelled in some way to treat them equally.

[–] TheEntity@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

TBH I'd rather donate to a serial killer that can realistically harm a dozen of people at most, than a person willfully supporting a global child molestation ring harming thousands annually and holding back the society for centuries.

[–] bh11235@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What a deplorable take. Is the 10-year-old child living in the USA who says "I love my country" morally responsible for the war in Iraq? Is the 10-year-old Saudi Arabian saying "I love my country" morally responsible for 9/11? By what mechanism does your standard spare any human being at all, ever, from total moral condemnation?

[–] TheEntity@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A 10-year-old isn't a willful supporter of these causes.

[–] jeena@jemmy.jeena.net -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The CCP doesn't need your kidneys, they harvest them from the Uyghurs.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] jeena@jemmy.jeena.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago

I don't know what CCP is, but I do know that vast majority of people in China support the Communist Party of China, and that all the western smears against China are rooted in projection of things that are actually happening in the west.