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We as a community must stop recommending Signal. For far too long we have blindly followed this app without a second thought. It has created a cult of followers, when there are much better apps out there for us to use.

https://archive.is/Lhe24 archive for the essay

This essay was posted to r/Privacy and subsequently removed and censored for literally No Reason. This is honestly really scary: https://old.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/wj5svi/signal_messenger_revealed_to_have_cia_ties_funded/ https://archive.ph/FZr1d

I am seriously hoping we can have a discussion about this on lemmy. @TheAnonymouseJoker , I know you from r/PrivateLife, and thought you'd be the one to go to about this. Thanks for being open in the past and not bowing to the inner circle of reddit cringelords.

I also am preparing an essay of my own about a complicit honeypot-ish web going on between Signal, Skiff, r/Privacy, r/PrivacyGuides, etc. They have a crazy little cabal that is very creepy. Any materials are welcome. Every time i turn over a stone i find two more. More to come.

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[โ€“] Melpomene@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@Unlucky_Boot3467 This is an interesting read for sure, but I see no concrete evidence in the essay that suggests that Signal is insecure. Signal was never anonymous; users who have Signal accounts (myself included) are well aware that their Signal ID is tied to their phone number. If Signal were not offering the E2EE promised, that would be huge... but nothing in the evidence or the article suggests that that this the case.

To be sure, I think Matrix great. But I have to wonder at the agenda behind the article... indirect initial funding from the US government at the outset, even absent malfeasance on Signal's part, is bad, while direct current endorsement of Matrix by the French government is... good? to be clear, I consider neither problematic on their own, but there doesn't appear to be much in the way of logic behind that reasoning.

Overall, I'd like to see us move away from centralized control of communication.. and Matrix might in fact be that eventual solution. But that doesn't mean that Signal isn't safe for those who understand that it is not, generally speaking, anonymous to use.

To be sure, your messages won't be read from the server, but that's not the point. There's way more going on.