I was permanently banned from the Reddit sub without recourse for posting this despite not breaking any rules. I'm slowly making the migration over thanks to such encouragement.
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ITT: a bunch of stolen bee vomit fetishists. Why pay so much money for something weird, gross, and every bit as unhealthy as sugar and corn syrup? Maple syrup (while also unhealthy) tastes way better. And date sugar, whole blended dates, or molasses are healthier alternatives.
Oh, look, it’s a walking vegan cliché. People like you are why people hate vegans. Save your anger for actual animal abuse.
Oh look, typical carnist cliché is getting offended because someone criticized the weird shit you do.
I didn't see anyone else pointing out how bizarre it is to fetishize bee puke.
And people hate vegans because most people want to believe they're at least "pretty good people", and the very presence of a vegan challenges that belief. If you're offended, maybe it's time to look in the mirror.
Or maaaaybe you just enjoy the smell of your own farts a little too much...
>And people hate vegans because most people want to believe they’re at least “pretty good people”, and the very presence of a vegan challenges that belief. If you’re offended, maybe it’s time to look in the mirror.
is this even provable? has anyone ever said that's why they, themselves, hate vegans?
There is science behind it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPE5q92JuWc&pp=ygUZd2h5IGRvIHBlb3BsZSBoYXRlIHZlZ2Fucw%3D%3D
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this video does not have anyone saying that is why they hate vegans
has anyone been able to replicate any studies on this?
I am just going to respond to all of your other messages here, because it's the same answer: it is not my job to educate you. YOU are the one who is continuing to live in a way that's morally repugnant. What you are doing is directly supporting a system that is routinely putting billions of lives through a real life hell - their entire existence is suffering - only to be butchered at the equivalent of an adolescent or juvenile age. What you are consuming is the traumatized remains of beings who were basically children, who were confined as part of a perpetual holocaust that's being conducted at an unprecedented scale. They committed no crimes. They are completely innocent. And you abuse them anyway, and mock the few people who try to undo this injustice.
That's not even getting into the devastating health effects of consuming animals, or the wanton destruction of the environment and greenhouse gas emissions that go with it.
Do you count yourself a leftist, or in any way oppose the fascist republicans? Well the animal ag industry is one of their primary sources of revenue, and meat and dairy consumption is central to the white nationalist identity. Non-vegan leftists are not leftists at all, because you can't even bring justice to your own dinner table, and you are directly paying the fascists every day.
It is YOUR job to get educated, and get right.
> They are completely innocent
you can't be innocent without moral agency. are trees and rocks innocent, too?
>you are directly paying the fascists every day
there is no ethical consumption under capitalism. anything you pay for, you are lining the pockets of fascists.
> Non-vegan leftists are not leftists
better tell marx and proudhon
>It is YOUR job to get educated, and get right.
don't worry about me. just try supporting your own arguments.
> meat and dairy consumption is central to the white nationalist identity.
so is breathing. i'm not going to give that up just because bad people do it, too
>it is not my job to educate you.
it's your job to support your claims
>What you are consuming is the traumatized remains of beings who were basically children, who were confined as part of a perpetual holocaust that’s being conducted at an unprecedented scale.
this is purely appeal to emotion. it's not even true. it's not a holocaust.
>YOU are the one who is continuing to live in a way that’s morally repugnant.
false
>That’s not even getting into the devastating health effects of consuming animals, or the wanton destruction of the environment and greenhouse gas emissions that go with it.
this is a non sequitur. it reads like you're grasping at straws
>Do you count yourself a leftist, or in any way oppose the fascist republicans?
kind of hilarious that you think the republicans are fascist but you didn't mention the democrats
>you abuse them
another falsehood.
> What you are doing is directly supporting a system that is routinely putting billions of lives through a real life hell - their entire existence is suffering - only to be butchered at the equivalent of an adolescent or juvenile age.
another lie
>you abuse them anyway, and mock the few people who try to undo this injustice.
where did i mock anyone?
No, he is speaking how he imagines things are. Vegans, like everyone else, can be great people or horrible people. No illusions there.
No amount of veganism makes them better humans.
It's always good for a laugh when a vegan thinks like this though
The notion that you can steal from bees is unhinged lmao
What's unhinged is people who think they have the right to confine, torture, exploit, rape, murder, and devour the flesh and/or secretions of other animals just because they're different.
Yeah I get that bugs are easy to dismiss because they're tiny, often obnoxious and treated like a nuisance, and less intelligent than other animals. But we're still talking about living beings who have their own subjective experience of life, individuality, and their own agenda. Like all animals they came into this life with us, not for us.
Commodifying living beings is unhinged. And even ignoring the moral side of things, having a preference for bee vomit is unhinged.
OP must be barlo
The subjective experience of insects is so unbelievably alien from that of humans that trying to anthropomorphize them or compare their existence to that of humans is actually insane. Just by existing as megafauna, you probably kill hundreds or thousands of insects a year.
no one is raping or torturing animals.
you should give a trigger warning when you link gore
>Your head must be deep in the sand if you think that’s true
this looks like a thought terminating cliche. have you considered addressing the substance of what i said, or is it all hand waving and shouting on your end?
Calls himself hacktheprisons, is oblivious to the fact that the biggest, cruellest prisons don't keep humans in.
Except I sent an entire documentary that precisely addressed the substance of what you said. You claimed that no one is raping and torturing animals. The documentary shows plenty of evidence to the contrary.
no, it doesn't. and your snuff film sucks anyway.
that video doesn't show rape. it does show some animal abuse, but that is not standard procedure.
>If your lifestyle choices cause suffering and atrocity, don’t you think you have a responsibility to at least be aware of what you’re complicit in
yes, but they don't, so it's no big deal.
Are you saying that you're vegan here?
no, i'm saying i understand linear time and causation.
Healthy and unhealthy are composite binary terms that aren't useful. Specific, contextualized terms are more useful and allow for people to make better choices for the situation.
Maple syrup has considerable benefits as an alternative to HFCS. First, it's glycemic index is lower which results in a decrease in blood glucose levels. On top of that, it appears that it promotes insulation secretion.
As a whole, in order to reduce ones propensity to diabetes, reduce sugar intake. Then, if further steps are needed and reduction is no longer an option, find appropriate substitutes. From the abstract:
And the final sentence:
I could get into the complexities of when and where maple syrup may be more or less harmful, but that's a bit of effort for a nested lemmy thread that's been downvoted so far as to not matter. Point is, in the context of western industrialized societies, the majority of people would see benefits from abstaining from refined sources of sweeteners, including maple. There might be some unique compounds in it, but when you look at the percentages of what's in the stuff, it's basically 98% just sugar.
Also I would suggest reading Marion Nestle's, Food Politics. It gives an inside view of the corruption in nutrition science. One of the things she said that stuck with me was when she said that she gets suspicious any time anyone is doing studies on a single food item.
Suggesting molasses as an alternative for honey lmao
The point is that virtually anything is a better alternative to honey.
Wrong
Because of you I just had two slices of bacon and two eggs for breakfast, how does that make you feel? I've also got at least 15 chicken wings and drumsticks in my fridge and a couple racks of beef ribs, along with several wedges of hard and soft cow cheeses. How does that make you feel?
And how about if I decide to go out with my cousin this fall to hunt a few animals in the most painful and excruciating way possible, prolonging their death for the thrill of the hunt?
And? You've already demonstrated that you're a psychopath (and probably have heart disease and diabetes as well). Are you so weak that you need to murder defenseless animals to feel good about yourself? How about you take a screenshot of this exchange for posterity. Maybe someday if you ever have the benefit of a moment of clarity, you can look back at it and cringe at yourself.
Other than that, fuck off. Psychopath.
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