You largely can choose the provider of this service, but they will also choose you (or not).
And you can not refrain from the service while being in the community of those that don't refrain. In practice there are (nearly) no places where the community as a whole chooses to refrain.

If you're in a country with compulsory military service, make yourself interesting for other countries and leave.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You largely can choose the provider of this service,

Really? I'm from the Middle East, took me fucking ages to "change the provider".

If you’re in a country with compulsory military service, make yourself interesting for other countries and leave.

Literally not an option for 99% of people.

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

unless you're a US citizen which requires the extra step of completely renouncing your US citizenship or continue paying US taxes (and therefore supporting the military mostly lol) regardless of where you may live in the world

[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

It's complicated, but not necessarily. The US has a lot of agreements with other countries for you to avoid having to pay taxes for both countries. If you're living in a country with one of those agreements, you can file with the US to claim you've paid taxes to the foreign government.

And the US doesn't force you to renounce your citizenship, it's generally other countries that don't allow dual citizenship; Germany and Denmark for example don't allow it.

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

is there something you can point me to that confirms this? i'm not saying you're wrong but my quick google search said the opposite.

[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

I was wrong about Denmark citizenship, but look here for an explanation of the tax treaties and the FEIE.

https://www.hrblock.com/expat-tax-preparation/resource-center/filing/20-things-americans-overseas-should-know-about-taxes-for-expats/

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And the US doesn't force you to renounce your citizenship

It does if you don't want to continue paying US taxes no matter where you live and work.

other countries that don't allow dual citizenship; Germany and Denmark for example don't allow it.

I don't know about Germany, but that hasn't been true of Denmark for nearly a decade.

I get the feeling that your source is located somewhere between your spine and the backs of your thighs.

[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I was wrong about Denmark. I did some research last year and apparently what I found was wrong.

But the US has Tax treaties, the FEIE, and the Foreign Tax Credit programs for expats to avoid paying US tax when overseas. But you still need to file with the US.

See here:

https://www.hrblock.com/expat-tax-preparation/resource-center/filing/20-things-americans-overseas-should-know-about-taxes-for-expats/

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 months ago

Thanks for the clarification!

[–] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The current situation is not the best in my opinion. I think people who don't agree with it (like me) should try to change it if possible (peaceful ways are always preferred) instead of adapting to the situation. Though everyone has the right not to fight and not to do anything at all. I'm not saying that fighting the regime you don't like is mandatory